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Mid 60's Ludwig Super Classics resto Last viewed: 1 day ago

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I've been in the process of restoring a mid 60's Ludwig kit. While I have a ways to go, I can't seem to find anything on this configuration. 12x8 tom, 16x16 FT, and 20x14 bass drum. The bass drum had a rail mount which is long gone, so it was a single tom mount. I've checked the Ludwig Book, old catalogs on line. Cannot find where Ludwig offered this set. 13, 16, 20 is as close as it gets.

Any help?

Meanwhile, the Ludwig chrome has stood the test of time and is coming very clean. The BD hoops need a repaint and will have new matching inlays to match the Oyster Black wrap being done at Precision Drum. These will look awesome when done, can't wait.

The 12"tom is the only drum that still had a visible date stamp; Sept 8 1966. All the shells are painted white inside and are 3 ply shells, so they are from the same era.

Just puzzled on the configuration.

Drum Kits
1965 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Blue
1966 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Black
1969 Ludwig BB Blue Oyster Keystone Clubdate
1971 Ludwig BB Black Oyster
Early 60's Camco Oaklawns Champagne Sparkle
Posted on 8 years ago
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From schmegeggie

I've been in the process of restoring a mid 60's Ludwig kit. While I have a ways to go, I can't seem to find anything on this configuration. 12x8 tom, 16x16 FT, and 20x14 bass drum. The bass drum had a rail mount which is long gone, so it was a single tom mount. I've checked the Ludwig Book, old catalogs on line. Cannot find where Ludwig offered this set. 13, 16, 20 is as close as it gets.Any help?Meanwhile, the Ludwig chrome has stood the test of time and is coming very clean. The BD hoops need a repaint and will have new matching inlays to match the Oyster Black wrap being done at Precision Drum. These will look awesome when done, can't wait.The 12"tom is the only drum that still had a visible date stamp; Sept 8 1966. All the shells are painted white inside and are 3 ply shells, so they are from the same era.Just puzzled on the configuration.

There were no pre-configured 12/16/20 sets that I'm aware of back in the day. The 12/16/20 in Black Diamond Pearl that I bought new from Sam Ash in 1966 was not a catalog item. I specified the sizes I wanted and that's what they ordered from Ludwig. I suspect that the original owner of your set did pretty much the same thing.

Steve Maxwell Vintage Drums in New York and Chicago make an excellent retro rail tom mount that will fit you bass drum . It comes in a four hole or a two hole version depending on what was on your drum in the first place (probably 4 holes) I have the 4 hole version on my 1961 Super Classic 13/16/22 WMP set. Its an excellent mount which is only slightly different then the original.

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 8 years ago
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You were free to order any combination of drums you wanted. The catalog sets were merely suggested setups. I'd suspect that someone wanted a Downbeat set but with a bit of added oomph that a 16" floor would offer over a 14" so they ordered it that way...or maybe the music store sold the 14" off to another customer and then replaced it with a 16"...or someone bought a set without a floor tom (a common way to make a set more affordable back then) and then added one later, opting for a 16" (or simply a matching 16" was more readily available). No way of ever really knowing but my point is there is no reason to think less of a set of drums simply because it doesn't match up to the handful of suggested setups shown in the catalog(s).

The drums were all the same regardless, the cataloged sets were merely different combinations of those same drums and the 8x12 tom in a Downbeat was identical (and interchangeable) with one from a Hollywood setup or any setup someone could think of that included a 12" tom.

Drum buying was more like car buying back then, you could take one right off the showroom floor (usually a catalog configuration) or you could order one up exactly how you wanted it, with different combinations of drums, different (or extra) spurs, double mufflers, etc. etc. The options were there for the asking.

Incidentally, while a 12/16/20 prepack combo did not appear in Ludwig's catalog that was a reasonably common configuration with other manufacturers, particularly Rogers, who seemed to favor the 16" floor tom as their standard size in most sets. So the idea was certainly out there and someone may have seen that in a Rogers catalog and thought that was the combination they preferred, even though they wanted (or could only afford) a Ludwig set.

Posted on 8 years ago
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I appreciate all the input. No way do I less of them, I can't wait to get them finished and hear them!

About 10 years ago, I had a. Baltimore Drum bop kit in 10-14-18 configuration. The 4" separation between the drums was perfect. I often wondered why more manufacturers didn't offer this. The 12-16-20 set up I hope, will give me that sound difference as well.

I'll post some pics when they're finished.

Drum Kits
1965 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Blue
1966 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Black
1969 Ludwig BB Blue Oyster Keystone Clubdate
1971 Ludwig BB Black Oyster
Early 60's Camco Oaklawns Champagne Sparkle
Posted on 8 years ago
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From schmegeggie

I appreciate all the input. No way do I less of them, I can't wait to get them finished and hear them!About 10 years ago, I had a. Baltimore Drum bop kit in 10-14-18 configuration. The 4" separation between the drums was perfect. I often wondered why more manufacturers didn't offer this. The 12-16-20 set up I hope, will give me that sound difference as well.I'll post some pics when they're finished.

The reason I chose a 12/16/20 configuration, along with my 5x14 Supraphonic, when I ordered my Ludwigs back in 1966 was a direct result of the mix of music I was playing. On the one hand, I was playing acoustic jazz, background music, show standards, etc in small clubs, bars and weddings and such, and needed both a smaller sound and a relatively compact easy to move gigging kit for use in NYC. But, I was also playing country music and light rock and needed a floor tom with a bit more meat on the bone. With appropriate tuning , the16x16 floor tom served double duty.

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 8 years ago
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Well, my fingers are sore as hell! I have been cleaning chrome every day for a week! Seeing the light at the end of the tunnel though. T claws and hooks, and floor tom legs are soaking in Dawn. That will hold me until tomorrow night. Sanded and painted the bass drum hoops today. Inlays will be here with the shells this week.

Note: Precision Drum offers both Oyster Black and 60's Oyster Black. Make sure you specify. Had they not run out of Oyster Black, my shells would have been wrong.

Hoping to begin assembly by mid week and post some pics.

Drum Kits
1965 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Blue
1966 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Black
1969 Ludwig BB Blue Oyster Keystone Clubdate
1971 Ludwig BB Black Oyster
Early 60's Camco Oaklawns Champagne Sparkle
Posted on 8 years ago
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From schmegeggie

Well, my fingers are sore as hell! I have been cleaning chrome every day for a week! Seeing the light at the end of the tunnel though. T claws and hooks, and floor tom legs are soaking in Dawn. That will hold me until tomorrow night. Sanded and painted the bass drum hoops today. Inlays will be here with the shells this week.Note: Precision Drum offers both Oyster Black and 60's Oyster Black. Make sure you specify. Had they not run out of Oyster Black, my shells would have been wrong.Hoping to begin assembly by mid week and post some pics.

Looking forward to seeing them!

Mark
BosLover
Posted on 8 years ago
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Schmegeggie,

I went through the same process a couple of years back with a Super classic set. They were filthy when I got them. Soaked all the hardware like you are and did some intense shell cleaning. These are photos as I was finishing the process, although their quality doesn't do the drums justice. Sounds like your will look just as good! Enjoy them!

Posted on 8 years ago
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First pic of the 12" tom. Got the shells back from Precision, boy they do great work! Because of the black over spray, I decided to repaint the interiors. With the proper color of course. Found a Benjamin Moore dealer and they had a quart in stock!

I've put the lugs on and the Drum just pops!

Note, the lugs started to fog up from the humidity in just seconds because it's so damn hot! Also, because the badges were gone, I have just threaded vent hole grommets. I painted around the date stamp.

Drum Kits
1965 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Blue
1966 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Black
1969 Ludwig BB Blue Oyster Keystone Clubdate
1971 Ludwig BB Black Oyster
Early 60's Camco Oaklawns Champagne Sparkle
Posted on 8 years ago
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Almost finished! Outside of new rubber feet, new heads, and grommets, I'm waiting for the other part I had to buy, rims for the floor tom. They were too far gone with rust. Here's the latest:

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Drum Kits
1965 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Blue
1966 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Black
1969 Ludwig BB Blue Oyster Keystone Clubdate
1971 Ludwig BB Black Oyster
Early 60's Camco Oaklawns Champagne Sparkle
Posted on 8 years ago
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