yeah. the mystery is solved.. With the blurry pics he had in the add the bass and floor toms looked like they had ludwig lugs and the wrap looked like black panther, the wrap is similair to black panther but it isnt.. anyways. I know it's some crap but I got alot of it for very little money.. 14, 16, 20 random vintage japanese crap.. 10" mapex mars tom, random wesper tom.. some random cheapo snare.. hardware and some cymbals (still don't know what those are, will get back on that)..

Anyways, there's only one thing that's confusing me at this point.. did they use 8 lugs/side on the 20"-ers? That bass is 20" according to the seller and usually cheaper drums had 6 lugs/side..

This is what i see..The tom in back with the long lug's look's to be mapex...The bass and floor tom on right look to be star [[1960's]]--floor tom on left[[1970's]] pearl copy mmaxwin or something like that look to be a 5 to 8 ply shell..Oh on the 20" bass and yes star did used 8 lug's per a side...Mikey

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Look, some of these older shells are very surprising. Just because they are "cheap" does not mean they are totally crap. Take some time on those shells. Clean them up, put some of your favorite heads on them and give them a go. I am talking about the Star Slingy copies, the thin shelled ones. Use a set of heads off some of your current set up to see if you can hear the tonal difference in them. After you have given them a fair shake, let us know what you find.

My bet is you will be very surprised. I am not joking about this, you may find a nice little gigging kit in them. Just use an Acrolite, you then won't have to expose your American drums to the harsh environment of the gigging scene, or you may find them to be really great in the studio. People are asking to use my 3 ply drums for recording because they have never heard a more mellowed, deep and powerful tone like them. Nothing else sounds like them. Just like the differences between Luds and Slings, Rogers and Gretsch...they have a wonderfully unique character. Do yourself a favor and try to have an open mind until proven correct...you may find a new friend.

Now, the 8 luggers are much better kits as they more tunable. These are the ones I love.

yeah, Im gonna try them out..

What kinda wood did they use in those old star-shells?

Okay. Here are the correct answers.. This was an odd bunch of drums

the drums were covered in black velvet...

The bass drum is a 20X14 star (or other japanese brand).. there's a gorgeous yellowed white marin pearl underneath that Im currently bringing to daylight once again.

The "floor toms" were actually 13" and a 12" pearl toms.. These are actually standard sized toms and someone have stacked another tom underneatch them "welding" the two together making these very deep.. Odd drums indeed and they are wrapped in blackvelvet aswell.. These will probably go to the bin..

The other toms were no mystery really.. a black 10" mapex tom and a blue wesper tom.. the cymbals that came with the kit was utter crap.. unfortunatly a trashed paiste 2002 crash was included.. but this one is cracked everywhere.. might be able to use it for something though.

So did they take 2-13" drums and sleeve them together with a 12"?And then glue it all together?Hence the staggered lugs?Fascinating,Jim.....I'm using the 12X13 on my Rockstar set as a floor tom,along with the 16".It's the only way to get those "power"toms down low enough to play practically.And the 11X12 on a stand.Black velvet pearl-SHEXXAY......

This bass is a 3 ply mahog, and it is a Star, I can tell by the lugs. Please, play it before you toss aside. You will be very impressed with the low woody tone. Sand the edges smooth, leave them rounded over and it will boom like a cannon.

Also, the hoop looks like it has a grey marine pearl inlay...if it is, that is one hard to find puppy and I'm sure sxomeone would give a pretty penny for it to complete a restoration.

not really.. Im gonna post pics later on cause the toms are real madness.. It looks like they had a 13X9 and a 12X8.. Then took some shorter 13" and 12" and stacked them on the other shells, making these 13X13 and 12X13.. Very deep.. That's why the lugs on the 13" is offset.. And then the guy wrapped them in black velvet..

Im surprised that some jackass spent time doing this.. brings stupidity to a new level..

Regarding the bass drum, that one was the only thing with this kit that was worth the trip to pic them up.. the snare stand was nice too though.. Im gonna try it out.. it looks nice so I bet it will sound good.. btw.. does anyone know if there's any yellowed marin pearl wrap avaible anywhere? All new ones Ive seen are way too white.

Laughing H

The really small concert tom has a Pearl clip mount on it, and it appears to be a Pearl Fiberglass tom. That's from the picture though, which has limited visibility. Nothing replaces grabbing them and looking at them close range.