I don't think Ludwig had a sparkling pink, that was Slingerland. There is a big difference between the two. What I don't know if there is a difference between Champagne or Bermuda sand.

Hey Lucky, In my search for an answer to this, I did find this:

http://www.vintagesnaredrums.com/snare_finishes.html

It shows that Ludwig did indeed begin to have a "Sparkling Pink Champagne" in 1962. As for Slingerland, you are correct, they did have have "Sparkling Pink Champagne Pearl" in their 1960 catalog (also from the same vdf source). It seems that by 1967, Slingerland dropped the "Pink" from the name & introduced "Sparkling Champagne Pearl" along with "Sparkling Pink Pearl" - 2 distinctly different shades - Yes! A big difference. One's pink & the other is more ginger ale (that's what mine are).

I've read on, as well as spoken to, Jammin' Sam's in regard to Champagne Sparkle. Middle of the page ~ http://www.jamminsam.com/history_of_sparkles.htm

It's my understanding, that Bermuda Sand is the modern name (and same +/-) equivalent; long made by Delmar. Due to expense, it's getting scarce

- Precision Drum offers it for $198 per 24" x 54" sheet :eek:~

http://www.precisiondrum.com/html/body_sparkles.html

Nevertheless, all the great info I've seen hasn't clarified whether Ludwig Champ is of the same nature as Slingerland - although I think I read somewhere that Delmar was the primary source for most drum manufacturers.

Thanks for prodding me to revisit sites & dig deeper.

Hmmm, never knew that. I have the Pink version.(slingerland) and when I was younger and playing all over I was kind of embarassed by my pink drums. What an idiot!!!

As the saying goes "Real Men Play Pink Drums"Jump For Joy

RE: "Pink" - When I was a kid, I loved those little Hot Wheels cars. But, I was in a small town and the store that sold toys only got so many Hot Wheels in stock at any given time. On a couple occasions, all they had were a few hot pink cars. Well, what did I know at the time? I thought it was a cool custom color. Now, years later, I have come to find out it's a rather desirable color for collectors because boys didn't gravitate towards the pink color and girls didn't collect Hot Wheels! So, in other words, the color makes them rare.

Here: Scroll down a little until you get to the 1960 catalog and you can see examples of both pink and pink champagne...

http://www.vintagesnaredrums.com/snare_finishes.html

Thanks for joining us O-Lugs! I tried to post the same link a little further up the thread - unfortunately, the link just reverts to general finish page. I'm assuming you were referring to the '60s Slingerland catalog as well.

Here's a functional link for the both of us ~

http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/finishes/slingerland/1960_slingerland_finishes_large.jpg

plus 1967, showing the split ~ http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/finishes/slingerland/67_slingerland_back.jpg

And for Ludwig also ~

http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/finishes/ludwig/ludwig_ludwig_1962.jpg

"Pinkness" aside Laughing H - I'm most interested to know if Ludwig & Slingerland used the same kind of material for the Champ wrap (i.e. the silver & copper metal particles). Or if I buy Ludwig Champ bass drum inlay wrap, will it match my Slingerland non-pink Champagne wrap.

Here's a link to the seller in England. [not a very good pic]

http://www.classicdrums.com/product58/

Ahh, I see. I should have read more carefully. I just skimmed over the topic.

Good questions! I honestly don't have the answers at this time, but I'll see what I can find.

I'll bet RichK knows the answer to these questions. He will probably be along shortly.Coffee Break2