I think very late 50's if Swiss made and later 60's if German made. Both are NS-12 alloy I do believe. They are usually pretty thin too, thus the trashy.

Mike

I have a 22" as well that I really enjoy. I put three rivets in mine. Thin enough so it wobbles, but mines is not very trashy. Don't clean it! Mine is filthy and I like the mellow tone it has. mlayton is correct it is NS-12 alloy, and just as quick as it tarnishes, the nickel REALLY brightens up (sound wise) when cleaned.

Does anyone know what a 22" would sell for?

Ludwig standard were a cheapo alternative to Zildjians. They were all I could afford back when I started gigging. Mine sounded horrible...I should point out that I bought them mail order and thus had no way of trying out the cymbals (you make mistakes when you're only 13 years old) and I couldn't wait to get rid of them.

But that's not to say that some specimens wouldn't have a place in a modern drummer's kit....but I'd be real careful before I shelled out good money for one.

Maybe $100-$130 bucks at best, but I have very little sales data on these. How you should price it depends on how fast you want to sell it.

Here's a pic of the 16" crash stamp that came with a '67 Club Date kit I'm restoring at present. These were made by Paiste in Germany. Found the kit with the 16" and 14" hats with the same stamp. Anyone know how long Ludwig/Paiste worked together to produce "Standard" cymbals for Ludwig kits?

cheers!

-kellyj

You can read up here in summary form:

http://www.nf-drums.com/paiste_fanpage_paiste_timeline.htm

or check the wiki for more info:

http://www.paiste-only.com/paistewiki/index.php?title=Series

go down to discontinued series.

Thanks Zen.

Interesting that the Cymbal is stamped "Germany", yet the chart for the year 1967 says Switzerland for Ludwig Standard?

kelly

That seems ok to me.

The German list has the Ludwig Standard made in Germany until 1964 and if your kit is 1967 then 3 years is a perfectly reasonable lead time to get shipped to the distributor then a retailer who then sold it with a kit some time later. Those time lags in the distribution system are one of the reasons that there is always an implicit ±3 years on all the years for dating cymbals by the kit they came with when new. Kits also take time to get to the retailer and may sit around a few years before being sold. So the cymbals and the kit may well be a few years apart in year of manufacture -- in either direction. It makes historical timeline construction always end up with a little uncertainty factor.