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Ludwig SS (again) question: Reinforcement plates inside?

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Hi all!

I've been lurking for a while, as I have my first vintage restoration underway, and wanted to wait to post until I had 'something to show' from all of the incredible knowledge available around here. Even so, I have found what seems to be a good deal on a '76 Supra SS, so I have a couple of questions to clarify whether or not to go ahead and purchase. Sorry to jump in the pool all needy and such!

Would it be possible for someone to post a quick pic of the interior of an SS? The drum in question has some large backing plates on the inside of the drum, and I can't tell from the SS diagram on the Ludwig parts site, or other scrounged pictures from the web if these are original. The SS mechanism on this drum looks a little rough, and is missing the protector 'hoops'. If it ends up that it is damaged (rather than just mal-adjusted), is that a deal breaker? How hard is it to find such parts? The drum is a 6 1/2 x 14 Ludalloy, and has the Ludalloy sticker inside.

The same guy has a pair of keystone acrolites (one chrome w/ round knob throwoff, one aluminum with baseball bat) and a '67 dark-blue sparkle Slingy student drum. (maple with oak re-rings, I think) I can get any of them for what seem to be 'decent' prices, judging from ebay completed listings and some reading around here. Any general thoughts on which might be the happiest conjunction of the stars? Don't say 'all', because I'll do it.....and then I'll be in trouble. Because I'm supposed to be remodeling the dining room. :D

Thanks 1000000! I've been reading quite a bit, and you guys are pretty impressive!

gk

Posted on 11 years ago
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My B/O badge super sensitive snare has re-enforcing plates behind where the snare mechanisms attach to the shell.

Posted on 11 years ago
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From Gerald Sterken

My B/O badge super sensitive snare has re-enforcing plates behind where the snare mechanisms attach to the shell.

My 84´Keystone Chicago badge LM410 also has plates...


Ludwig '67 Classic B.D.P.
Ludwig '79 Classic Pro-beat
C. A. F. '72 New Sonic "The Argentinean Ludwig"
A bunch of Ludwig snares..... + Dyna & P.Tone.
and always trying to recover some orphan drums!!
Posted on 11 years ago
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My black beauty has those plates as well.

And so does my 6.5 Supersensitive.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 11 years ago
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The Slingerland with oak rings should be a Shelbyville drum,

It's a little harder to find.

Posted on 11 years ago
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The 6 1/2x14" super sensitive is the most collectible in the group you have mentioned. the backing plates are factory they have to be in the shell to support the s/s system

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 11 years ago
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Thank you all easing my mind! I'll check it out again today and look at the rest of the mechanism.

Posted on 11 years ago
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The keystone badged "chrome acrolite" that you mentioned is no doubt a Supraphonic. A much better drum as far is giggability goes...not as much of a fuss over the snare adjustment.

Posted on 11 years ago
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From Rocketman

The keystone badged "chrome acrolite" that you mentioned is no doubt a Supraphonic. A much better drum as far is giggability goes...not as much of a fuss over the snare adjustment.

I've been meaning to update this thread for a while.

Rocketman, you are indeed correct. The "chrome acrolite" was, shall we say, 'filed' in a stack of acro's, and my lack of knowledge led me to assume that it was the same! Thanks for correcting my misunderstanding.

In any case, I picked up both the 6.5 x 14 SS and the 5 x 14 Supra. Both are in 'players' condition, but I only paid $250 for the pair. The SS is a Blue and Olive from 1976, and the 5 x 14 is a Keystone from 1967. Both have moderate to light pitting. The deeper drum was clearly a gigging drum and has some battle scars to prove it. It still has a well-loved "Professional Drum Shop, Hollywood California" Emperor head on it. :D The SS mechanism is fairly shot to hell, and it's rigged up to use a standard snappy snare. To my ears, the 6.5 x 14 is the better sounding of the two.

I told my self I would clean up and sell the 5 x 14, but there is something about the Keystone badge that I like too much. Uh oh! The 6.5 x 14 will likely go into my country gig kit. It works great for that, and will keep me from annihilating the '30's Leedy single ply mahogany marching snare that currently occupies that position!

Anyway, thank you all for the responses. Here's a pic of the dynamic duo:

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