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Ludwig club dates

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I saw these online for sale.

 

they are being offered as 60's club dates.

 

sizes 24x16, 14x14 and 12x10.  

 

These seem to be unusual sizes for a 60s club date kit.  

 

I asked a salesman about the size of the bass drum, he measured it and confirmed that it was 24x16

 

any thoughts?

 

 

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Posted on 1 month ago
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Well, that certainly is an oddball kit.  The bowtie lugs and tension rods on the bass drum are certainly the type used on Club Date kits, but not a 24."

And a Club Date has the standard rail consolette mounted at "top dead center" of the bass drum, not the "Hollywood" kit double-tom mount shown here.  Of course, the early "Hollywoods" had twin 12x8 toms and the 1966 and later had a 12x8 and a 13x9.

This one has a single 12x10?  And you need either the double-tom mount stem or a snare drum stand to use that drum.

The bowtie lug 14X14 floor tom with "clipper" legs is a Club Date, for sure.

That's a curious kit.  I'd ask the salesman to give you the badge numbers, to see if they are reasonably close to each other.  Then it might be a special order kit.  If so, my question would be "Why?!"  :-)

My two cents' worth...

Regards, Marty Black

Posted on 1 month ago
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I did a Google image search to try to find the listing to get a better look, and found that image on five sites, of which only one was a musical instrument site which was actually a dead link. The rest seemed kind of sketchy so I would be cautious that the seller is legit. 

 

The drums look like garden variety club dates to me. The rack tom isn't a 12 x10. It's a 12 x 8. If the bass drum is actually a 24", I seriously doubt it's 16" deep. Most likely a 14" deep drum and the sales person isn't measuring just the shell depth which is a very common mistake.

If it is a 24", Ludwig sold a single center lug, separate tension line of bass drums called the Century in the '63 catalog. They offered the Century in sizes from 20 x 14 up to 28 x 14 so this could be a set of orphans that were put together and perhaps rewrapped or even ordered this way. 

 

Posted on 1 month ago
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The source is a well known, large online retailer so I'm not worried so much about getting scammed, but I am concerned, naturally, about the price and what the item actually is, along with an abbreviated return window.  I'm not sure how long the merchant has been offerering the drums for sale but there has been no price reduction so I'm guessing less than a couple of months.

The Century bass drum seems like a plausible enough explanation .  I'm not sure if the drum actually has spikes, and I am not all that knowledgeable about drums, I'm not even a drummer, but I guess I assumed that since I couldn't see the spikes that they were telescoping spikes.  The double tom mount would, it seems to me lend itself to the theory that somebody assembled a 4 piece kit around the bass drum at one time and not that they ordered the three pieces together, though who knows.

Were the century bass drums intended to be concert/marching drums, or would you order them drilled for spikes and mounts from the dealer? 

I also don't see any sort of mount on the small tom, but the pictures only show one side of the drum.

I spoke with the salesman who knew where the kit originated (from the estate of a man who passed away and had a large drum collection), a large enough collection he said that you had to walk sideways through the home.  He seemed certain that the drums were from the 60s but he did not share any information about the badge numbers or the mounts with me.  I did ask him if he had the pole that would fit into the bass drum mount and it seemed like they didn't have one.    

Thank you @marty black && @thin shell.  


Posted on 1 month ago
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Might be a moot point, as the drums aren't listed on that retailer's site at this point.

But as far as the Century bass drum. You could buy them with no mounts or spurs or you could order them with whatever mounts and spurs you wanted if you wanted them. Same with the Classic bass drums, as well with toms. Floor toms came with legs. You had to specify what mount, if any you wanted. Or you could buy them with eye hooks to us them as a marching drum. There was also a single tension version of the Century bass drum and the catalog states that the 28 x 14 came supplied with "eye carrying hooks" which would be used for using it as a marching drum. So, you could use them any way you wanted, and configure them with the appropriate hardware for that use.

If you were buying one of the preconfigured configurations in the catalog, you didn't have to spec anything, as that was all part of the package, but when buying individual drums, you have to spec and pay extra for the mounts and spurs. 

 

As far as age, given the badges, they would be early 60s (although they started painting the interiors white around '63) up to about '67.

Posted on 1 month ago
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The perspective shot makes it look like it is a 14" depth. It would be supercool to have a 24" diameter, but I agree with the above: It was probably measured OD of the hoops. I would love to sit behind a kit with 12, 14 and 24. That's an odd mix that would be fun. Beautiful set either way.

Posted on 3 weeks ago
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This club date project started with a bass and 12" tom with batter side only, nickle hardware and a second 12" with batter side only chrome hardware.

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