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Ludwig borrow parts from Slingerland?

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Started the restoration process on my 14x22 bass. Opened it up and removed the crumpled up newspaper I put in there (May 9, 1973, fun reading those ads). Looking around the interior I saw this, on the ride cymbal "L" arm mounting bracket.

[IMG]http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu224/FTG3/P1010165.jpg[/IMG]

It's companion looks like:

[IMG]http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu224/FTG3/P1010164.jpg[/IMG]

The "L" arm support looks like: (I know, it looks worse than it really is, but should clean up nicely)

[IMG]http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu224/FTG3/P1010166.jpg[/IMG]

It did clean up fairly nice:

[IMG]http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu224/FTG3/P1010169.jpg[/IMG]

Now bear in mind I've had these drums since 1964, and know positively they were never disassembled or modified in any way. They were not new when I got them. One previous owner I believe, and I never saw anything on this set that would make me think it was ever worked on.

Both Slingerland and WFL were in Chicago at that time. Could it have been a case that WFL ran out of washers? "Hey Fred, listen I need a favor, have any 15/16" washers we can borrow?"

Of course, it is just as possible that somewhere in this drums distant past, somebody DID disassemble it and mix parts. But I just can't shake the feeling that....no.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Doubtful. When Ludwig bought the company that manufactured Slingerland's snare cases, WFL II called Bud Slingerland and told him his case contract was canceled. Then he took the Slingerland case dies out on his boat and dropped them in the center of Lake Michigan. I don't think they would give each other the time of day. :D

Norm

1964 Slingerland Stage Band in Black Diamond Pearl
Posted on 14 years ago
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From norman931

Doubtful. When Ludwig bought the company that manufactured Slingerland's snare cases, WFL II called Bud Slingerland and told him his case contract was canceled. Then he took the Slingerland case dies out on his boat and dropped them in the center of Lake Michigan. I don't think they would give each other the time of day. :D

As previously stated it would be a cold day in H@#*. the slingerland parts had to come from previous owner, NEVER from the factory,,singer

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
#3
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guitar2

From Batterhead

Now bear in mind I've had these drums since 1964, and know positively they were never disassembled or modified in any way. They were not new when I got them. One previous owner I believe, and I never saw anything on this set that would make me think it was ever worked on.Both Slingerland and WFL were in Chicago at that time. Could it have been a case that WFL ran out of washers? "Hey Fred, listen I need a favor, have any 15/16" washers we can borrow?"Of course, it is just as possible that somewhere in this drums distant past, somebody DID disassemble it and mix parts. But I just can't shake the feeling that....no.

Interesting theory, but don't you think it would have been easier and more logical to go down to the corner hardware store and get some generic washers rather than go to your number one business rival and get some that are branded with that rival's name?

I have to agree with vintagemore2000 - the previous owner of the drums must have been the source of that washer.

Scott

Posted on 14 years ago
#4
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Of course you are all probably correct. I can't imagine there was any shred of co-ompitition between Ludwig and Slingerland. Was just startled by the first glimpse ever, of the possibilty that this 60 year old set was not a virgin.

Posted on 14 years ago
#5
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How do you get those large pics on here?

From Batterhead

Started the restoration process on my 14x22 bass. Opened it up and removed the crumpled up newspaper I put in there (May 9, 1973, fun reading those ads). Looking around the interior I saw this, on the ride cymbal "L" arm mounting bracket.[IMG]http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu224/FTG3/P1010165.jpg[/IMG]It's companion looks like:[IMG]http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu224/FTG3/P1010164.jpg[/IMG]The "L" arm support looks like: (I know, it looks worse than it really is, but should clean up nicely)[IMG]http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu224/FTG3/P1010166.jpg[/IMG]It did clean up fairly nice:[IMG]http://i650.photobucket.com/albums/uu224/FTG3/P1010169.jpg[/IMG]Now bear in mind I've had these drums since 1964, and know positively they were never disassembled or modified in any way. They were not new when I got them. One previous owner I believe, and I never saw anything on this set that would make me think it was ever worked on.Both Slingerland and WFL were in Chicago at that time. Could it have been a case that WFL ran out of washers? "Hey Fred, listen I need a favor, have any 15/16" washers we can borrow?"Of course, it is just as possible that somewhere in this drums distant past, somebody DID disassemble it and mix parts. But I just can't shake the feeling that....no.

1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
Posted on 14 years ago
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The pics are actually hosted on Photobucket. Just pasted in the links to them using the "Insert Image" button when creating the post.

Posted on 14 years ago
#7
Posts: 2237 Threads: 272

Ok Cool, Thanks!

1960's SONOR 12-16-20-14 blue slate pearl
1968 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14Sky blue P
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14BlueVistalite
1972 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-(14 impostor)BlackPanther "SOLD"
1964 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl 22-12-13-16-14Supra "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG 12-13-16-22-14 Citrus Mod "SOLD"
1969 LUDWIG Sexto-Plus 8-1 0-12-13-14-15-16-20-20-14 Silver Sparkle
60's Majestic Delux 12-13-16-22-14 red pearl
2009 Homemade Kids 8-10-13-16-12 Orange Sparkle
24 kits, 80 Snares, 65 Cymbals
Don't tell my wife!
Posted on 14 years ago
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