Lets just take a look a the very link and buyer that Drumbum3131 said he's purchased these stands for$45.00to$50.00 from, awful funny this guy prices don't seem to match the little story drumbum3131 has feed to us??? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280510727510 bum usually the description I use for peeps like yourself is tyre-kicker!!!

I've never ripped anyone off on this site..in fact I have never purchased any thing off ebay, vintage drum forum, or the Drum Forum. I buy all my gear locally and I don't lie about my prices.

My age??? I am high school student...who has a love for restoring/collecting vintage drums. Does that make me any less knowledgeable than both of you...no.

One thing I do know is in 20 years I will have a wife, kids, a job, a huge Ludwig collection and will not be spending my time on a forum as a grown man. I wish you guys the best of luck in the vintage drum world...you will be coming to me when I have the largest Ludwig collection in the world hahahha. Just kidding I think I am going to move onto vintage cars when I am older. But who really knows??

Have great rest of your day!

By the way...when I brought the thing up about the red top throne you were trying to sell at $125. I was trying to show that you value your gear higher than it is worth...which is why it only sold for $50 something dollars.(which is a FACT) I guess we have to wait to see what the stands sell for and see if your evaluation was good?

Here's a small test, what's the part# of this butt end???this is your own question answered by you!!

My age??? I am high school student...who has a love for restoring/collecting vintage drums. Does that make me any less knowledgeable than both of you...no. then whats the part # you still haven't answered it!!!

Well the snare looks to be a WFL Super Classic(Possible chance it is a pre-serial...but most likely WFL). I have always thought of that butt-end as the classic butt end...did it even have a parts number?

all wfl's are preserial # the model your looking at is a buddy rich super classic and yes this butt end has a part #

I'm talking about the pre-serial Keystone which was for three years in the early 60's. Just curious how does this make me less knowledgeable than you...I collect drums from the 60's not 50's? Could I ask you a question?

I collect them from the teens to the 70's all brands, also every piece of hardware that is on a ludwig drum has a part #,and Certainly you can ask me a question,

Since you asked for a part number...I will ask a question about wrap.

This is kind of fun! Okay ready...What is the chemical compound name that vintage Ludwig WMP wrap is made out of?

I remember the post when you learned that from Tommyp....

And the name of it.

name it man!