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late 70s Slingerlands

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Howdy all,

It is with great pain that I join and make this post. Due to 1) a job layoff and serious financial trouble, and 2) rock music is a young man's game and I ain't gettin any younger, I have to put a value on my beloved kit and sell it.

With great thanks to DrCJW, I found most of what I need to know here, but still have a few questions.

I have what is close to the Super Rock Outfit 51N as pictured in the '77-'78 catalog, 5-ply in Black Diamond wrap. However:

1) where the Super Rock has one 9x13 tom and one 10x14 tom, I have two 9x13s, one with tone control, one without, and

2) the floor tom is 16x16, not 16x18.

Could this kit have been specially ordered?

The badging on all the drums is of the '73-'86 Niles football style, matte black ink, and the serials appear to be very late 70s, maybe 1980 or 81. No date stamps appear anywhere on the inside of any drum. The rundown:

Kick: 14x24, serial 452274, dual spurs, original Setomatic tom mount, hoops suffer from minor scrapes/dings, wrap is intact and in very good shape. (A side note: a former bandmate told me his father owned the injection molding plant that made the plastic balls for these mounts, and Slingerland had originally chosen a cheaper plastic formula based on manufacturing costs, but was forced to go to a more expensive plastic when early mounts cracked prematurely. Mine is intact and healthy.)

Floor tom: 16x16, serial 481560, wrap is intact and in very good shape but pulling away at the seam about 1/4 inch.

Rack tom w/tone control: 9x13, serial 415054, wrap intact and in good shape except for very minor seam warpage.

Rack tom w/o tone control: 9x13, serial 512715, wrap intact and in very good shape.

All of the above were purchased for $350 in the mid 90s from the second owner and they were near mint then.

I also have two Slingerland snares and one Ludwig snare:

Snare 1: 5x14, chrome steel, 8 lug, sixth Rapid throwoff, serial 440186, some minor pitting but overall in good shape. Purchased from the original owner in 1987 to go with my first kit, a birch Yamaha, second from the bottom of the line in 1984.

Snare 2: 6x14, chrome wrap over 3-ply (inner ply appears to be maple), 8 lug, sixth Rapid throwoff, serial 577128, some minor scratches/dings and the throwoff needs repair and is disassembled. Purchased from music store in early 90s.

Snare 3: Ludwig Acrolite(?), 5x14, aluminum, 8 lug, P85 throwoff (has a sticker instead of the Ludwig logo cast in) serial 3076920, post-'79 blue/olive non-pointy badge (that got bent somehow anyway), has some minor interior corrosion from steel hardware/aluminum shell contact, throwoff needs repair. Was left behind by a drummer I replaced.

I'm super bummed about having to sell this kit - I received many compliments over the years on its sound, especially during recording and from live sound engineers. I ran coated Ambassador batters and clear Diplomat bottoms on everything but the kick, which was either a clear Pinstripe or Evans batter and a coated Ambassador bottom...

But I digress. I apologize for no pics - I sold my camera along with a bunch of other non-essential electronics. I have a webcam but it's not good for detail shots.

Any and all help on a value range will be appreciated. I also have a set of recent Sabian HHX cymbals, but no stands or hardware (my nephew helped himself to those a few years ago when I stopped playing).

Thanks for your time,

Dan

Posted on 16 years ago
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Dan..

Not much help.. but I think a good place to start is looking at comparable kits on craigslist.com, craigshelper.com and ebay.

Craigslist is free to sell stuff on so it won't cost you anything to put them out there and see what kind of offers you get.

Good luck!

Not a Guru... just interested..
Posted on 16 years ago
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Pardon the bump but one last try before I start hitting up local drum shops and craigslist. I'm thinking $1000 for everything - toms, kick, snares, and cymbals.

Also still curious about the tom sizes - if the discrepancy in serials between the rack toms might indicate if the tom without tone control might have been added on to an "off the shelf kit", and what might have been the reasoning behind adding an identically sized tom. With a very few exceptions, I used the kit with only the one rack tom without the tone control.

Thanks again,

Dan

Posted on 16 years ago
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From danmac

Pardon the bump but one last try before I start hitting up local drum shops and craigslist. I'm thinking $1000 for everything - toms, kick, snares, and cymbals.Also still curious about the tom sizes - if the discrepancy in serials between the rack toms might indicate if the tom without tone control might have been added on to an "off the shelf kit", and what might have been the reasoning behind adding an identically sized tom. With a very few exceptions, I used the kit with only the one rack tom without the tone control.Thanks again,Dan

It does seem likely that the 2nd rack tom was added to the original kit.

Regarding them being the same size: there was a brief period of time in the late '60s - early '70s when the "standard" configuration was goinig from 4-piece (1 mounted tom) to 5-piece (2 mounted toms) and manufacturers were selling the 2 mounted toms in the same size in the belief that the visual "balance" was necessary. Long ago I purchased an early '70s Fibes kit with 2 13x9 toms - same reason. Seems weird now, sure, but that was the thinking then.

Posted on 16 years ago
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HI,

please forgive the belated post. I was searching through here and on Google for information about late 1970s Slingerland Super Rock kits b/c I am considering purchasing one from the local Craigslist.

danmac, based on your serial # 452274, it would seem your kit is really early 1980s. Have you consulted the 1980 catalog? I don't think it explains the tom sizes, but might get you closer to an answer.

The kit I'm looking at, btw, is just the bass, two rack toms and floor tom. No legs for the floor tom, the bass drum tom mount plate appears missing, there is no front bass hoop and I bet the lugs and claws are gone.. it's gloss black and I can't tell if it's 3-ply or 5-ply but based on the one badge # I have (367235) it would seem to date from the later 1970s and may be a Super Rock 51N. Other than the missing parts, it appears to be in reasonable shape for its age... guy is asking $150 obo. Should I pounce?

Sorry, not trying to hijack the thread...

Posted on 15 years ago
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Bumpity bump bump!

Hi again folks. While I've managed to delay selling this kit since first posting last October, I'm in a major bind again and have to reconsider. While it's been a number of years since I've played, it's a real drag to have to consider selling what I believe is a quality, well kept kit. I doubt I'll find anything similar to replace it with in the future without droppin big bucks.

I've spent a few hours on the forum here, retracing my steps, doing searches, and reviewing past threads/posts. I've noticed that the good Dr. CJW hasn't posted since April, but has contributed articles, so I hope others might be able to take notice and give some advice. I deliberately posted this thread in this forum due to its traffic, and realize that it should really be in the "what's it worth?" forum. If this thread gets moved there, that's OK by me.

Anyway, to reiterate from my original posts above, after retracing my steps, I'm still kinda stumped as to what model/series/age this kit is. I'm still of the opinion that my kit comes closest to something from the '77-78 catalog, specifically the Super Rock kit, due to the 14x24 kick with the dual spurs. But upon searching the forum, I see that my tom mount hardware conforms to a more early '70s Setomatic - the plastic ball is exposed in its clamp, where later Setomatic and Super Setomatic has the clamp cast to completely cover the ball.

Moreover, I don't see any sign of the dual spurs on kick drums in the '79 or '80 catalogs, and in response to boobus' post above, the serial number ranges lean more towards late 70's than early 80's - with the exception of the one tom that might have been added to the kit with the 512xxx serial.

And also, I see that as my kit is 5-ply, Slingerland appended a 6 to the model numbers, so rather than Super Rock 51N, it might be Super Rock 651N.

To review, with some additions:

The drums:

The basic kit as described in the first post in this thread - the kick hoops are black with a chrome inlay, and all tom hoops/lugs/hardware are original and unmolested. The floor tom wrap seam needs attention, but the wrap is still intact - but I suspect that if it were glued and clamped, there will still be a gap in the seam of maybe 1/8 to 1/4" due to warpage.

The snare drums, also described in the first post - and upon reinspection, the aluminum Ludwig is really kinda ratty, but possibly worth restoring? Also, the throwoffs on both the Slingerland snares need work, but I'm gathering that the availability of parts for these is pretty easy and the work is simple.

The cymbals:

1) Sabian HHX Studio Crash, 18"

1) Sabian Signature Saturation Crash, 18"

1) Sabian HHX Dry Ride, 21"

The above were purchased new by me in 2003 and show no signs of damage - although there are some cosmetic black marks from either black sticks or sticks with black tape, from a couple sessions where a former doofus guitarist bandmate invited some buddies over to jam in our practice space without the rest of the band's permission. The marks scrape off with a fingernail, so I think they'll clean up pretty good.

1) Zildjian Earth Ride, 20" - signed with magic marker on the underside by Alejo Poveda (though I doubt this increases its value, still kinda cool). Purchased used in the mid-90s and unsure of its age, it looks like hell as all Earth Rides do...

1) DW 7000 kick pedal, in good shape

Anybody want to take a stab at a value again? All told, with some minor cleanup, is $1000 too much to ask of all this as a package? I'm located in the Chicago burbs, and I will be having the owner of a local used instrument exchange helping me to locate leads.

Sorry to get so wordy here - unemployed with a lot of time on my hands, and I'm also the type that cringes at bad spelling/grammar/internet shorthand.

And finally - I know what most of you out there are thinking - this thread is worthless without pics. I will be borrowing a camera this weekend and taking many pics to post here.

Whew! Thanks for reading! :D

Dan

Posted on 15 years ago
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I think $1000 would be a good deal for someone, assuming you're including the cymbals and snares. If it were me, I would sell the cymbals and snares each individually and the drumset in its entirety with any original hardware. Those sets are moving well now from what I've seen (I have a similar set I'm thinking of selling) so I bet the set by itself would maybe go for $500 if it's in great shape, pretty hard to say though.

Matt

Posted on 15 years ago
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