Have two nice old K. Zildjians make in Istanbul.

18" is 1527 grams. Stamped "medium" feels medium thin. Has 8 original rivet holes with one original rivet present. Some slight hole wear, but no keyhole or cracks. Edge is smooth. Asking $600 plus shipping, paypal payments, no trades.

16" is 1180 grams. Great all around medium crash with some K trashiness. I used it occasionally as part of a hi hat set. A few flea bites and a keyhole is starting.

Asking $265 plus shipping. Will combine for a deal if you want the 16 and 18. PLEASE EMAIL me instead of pm. [email]rkalinsky@aol.com[/email]