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K Zildjian HH

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A forum member has these HH cymbals and we would like to know about the year and value of them. Only got one pic of one stamp so far. No signature inside.

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Posted on 11 years ago
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Accoding to robscott.net,this cymbal is from the old stamp IVa era (1957-58).

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Thank you for looking that up for me. Couple more questions.

Drum kits were just taking off in the fifties and HH`s were just introduced over the low boy and pedal attachments, Was K Zildjian making matched pairs for the HH stands ?

Was there a time when K Zildjian artists did not put signature under the bell ?

Did K Zildjian make a heavy for the bottom and lighter for the top or the same weights ?

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Posted on 11 years ago
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From OddBall

Drum kits were just taking off in the fifties and HH`s were just introduced over the low boy and pedal attachments, Was K Zildjian making matched pairs for the HH stands ? Was there a time when K Zildjian artists did not put signature under the bell ? Did K Zildjian make a heavy for the bottom and lighter for the top or the same weights ?

What do you mean that drum kits were just taking off in the fifties? You are off by 40 years or so. Low boys were from the 20s and before. By the 30's set drummers were using hi hat stands similar in concept to those in use today.

Mark
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Posted on 11 years ago
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From BosLover

What do you mean that drum kits were just taking off in the fifties? You are off by 40 years or so. Low boys were from the 20s and before. By the 30's set drummers were using hi hat stands similar in concept to those in use today.

LOL.

/Magnus

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From BosLover

What do you mean that drum kits were just taking off in the fifties? You are off by 40 years or so. Low boys were from the 20s and before. By the 30's set drummers were using hi hat stands similar in concept to those in use today.

Notice I didn`t say .."not around " There were many drum sets in the Fourties and Thirties, but the idea of drum kits ,although not new, didn`t really "TAKE-OFF" until after the war. Yes the HH was introduced in the early thirties, but bands like today were just taking off, not the norm.

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Do you know anything more about those hat`s in the OP ?

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

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From OddBall

Notice I didn`t say .."not around " There were many drum sets in the Fourties and Thirties, but the idea of drum kits ,although not new, didn`t really "TAKE-OFF" until after the war. Yes the HH was introduced in the early thirties, but bands like today were just taking off, not the norm.

This is quite different than what you said in your earlier post. If you are implying that kit sales increased significantly in the 1950's as a result of a better economy, the introduction of Rock 'n Roll, and other factors, I would agree. However what you said originally was [COLOR="Red"]"Drum kits were just taking off in the fifties and HH`s were just introduced over the low boy and pedal attachments, " [/COLOR] Virtually every band had a set drummer in the twenties, thirty's and forties and most set drummers used an early equivalent of a modern hi-hat stand from the mid-thirties on. I've seen pictures of "modern" hi hat stands from the late twenties. I'm not sure when they were actually introduced. From the mid-late thirties to the mid-late forties, drummers often kept time on their hats before the introduction of ride cymbals. The low boy was an invention from the mid 1920's. and were no longer in general use by the mid-late thirties.

Note: This is a general description of the time line. I could be off by a few years.

Mark
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Posted on 11 years ago
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From BosLover

This is quite different than what you said in your earlier post. If you are implying that kit sales increased significantly in the 1950's as a result of a better economy, the introduction of Rock 'n Roll, and other factors, I would agree. However what you said originally was [COLOR="Red"]"Drum kits were just taking off in the fifties and HH`s were just introduced over the low boy and pedal attachments, " [/COLOR] Virtually every band had a set drummer in the twenties, thirty's and forties and practically every set drummer used an early equivalent of a modern hi-hat stand from the mid-thirties on. From that period through to the late fortes, drummers often kept time on their hats before the introduction of ride cymbals. The low boy was an invention from the mid 1920's. and were no longer in use by the mid thirties.

I cannot agree more. With all you say above, Mark.

/Magnus

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From BosLover

This is quite different than what you said in your earlier post. If you are implying that kit sales increased significantly in the 1950's as a result of a better economy, the introduction of Rock 'n Roll, and other factors, I would agree. However what you said originally was [COLOR="Red"]"Drum kits were just taking off in the fifties and HH`s were just introduced over the low boy and pedal attachments, " [/COLOR] Virtually every band had a set drummer in the twenties, thirty's and forties and most set drummers used an early equivalent of a modern hi-hat stand from the mid-thirties on. I've seen pictures of "modern" hi hat stands from the late twenties. I'm not sure when they were actually introduced. From the mid-late thirties to the mid-late forties, drummers often kept time on their hats before the introduction of ride cymbals. The low boy was an invention from the mid 1920's. and were no longer in general use by the mid-late thirties. Note: This is a general description of the time line. I could be off by a few years.

And that`s what I meant, Drum kits were just take`n off in the Fifties. I`m not talking about tacked head, clip on, trap kits. I`m referring to double headed tunable rack toms mounted directly to the BD with FT`s on the side. You know, a modern day drum kit !i

In the twenties and thirties most bands had an assorted trap kit with tacked heads, maybe a FT here and there. How many tunable rack mounted kits were there in the 38 Ludwig catalog ? The 41 catalog ? All you`ll find is tacked reso heads, with maybe some few exceptions here and there, hardly the norm.

Maybe I could have worded better for the simple, Right Magnus ?

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