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is my gretsch a fake? Help me pls

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Posted on 18 years ago
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:( About the name "Jazzette" should be probably just for the european market.For the rest, im tryng to call the seller and ask him why didn't tell me about the assemblage. Hope to resolve as soon as possible.ThanksGiampiero

I would probably do the same thing. If the set was sold and described as a matched set then I think that is wrong and you should question that. It is after the fact, so there is probably not much you can do, but it never hurts to try.

Let us know what happens

David Webmaster

Posted on 18 years ago
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Here's a response from someone who knows...http://www.drumforum.org/viewtopic.php?t=7711

Hi Rich, many thanks to you for bring my post on drumfoum.org.

I will just follow the way to call my lawyer and try to get back some ???

I'll let you know what happen in the next days.

Still thank you so muchCool

Greetings, Giampiero

Posted on 18 years ago
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I would probably do the same thing. If the set was sold and described as a matched set then I think that is wrong and you should question that. It is after the fact, so there is probably not much you can do, but it never hurts to try.Let us know what happensDavid Webmaster

Sure David, i must try to get back some money and will advise you about any news going on.

Thank you

Greetings, Giampiero

Posted on 18 years ago
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Yes, it is good to see two drum forums said the exact same thing. So now you have two groups of experts to state your claim when you communicate with the seller.

David

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Posted on 18 years ago
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What happens is really simple. You have drums left over in the store so you wait for somebody to come in and look for on or more drums. You end up re ordering or picking up a drum or two to make set. We ordered many drums and put the bass mounts the guys wanted. Or a person has picked they up by matching the colours. They are Gretsch drums. Just a different mount. That is one of the beauty of drums you can mix and match your own personal way. Cost if you are happy with them and get the sound you want. They are worth what ever you feel is right. A seller has a value in his mind that he wants.

Bill.drummer

Posted on 18 years ago
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What happens is really simple. You have drums left over in the store so you wait for somebody to come in and look for on or more drums. You end up re ordering or picking up a drum or two to make set. We ordered many drums and put the bass mounts the guys wanted. Or a person has picked they up by matching the colours. They are Gretsch drums. Just a different mount. That is one of the beauty of drums you can mix and match your own personal way. Cost if you are happy with them and get the sound you want. They are worth what ever you feel is right. A seller has a value in his mind that he wants.Bill.drummer

While everything you say is true and understandable, I know there are some people out there who see a kit and think it's somehow an original factory kit at first, but come to find out later that it's not. There's nothing wrong with a store "Frankensteining" a nice little player's kit together. But, if the guy thought he was buying an original kit and got a Frankenstein, then he might have cause to want to make some adjustments to the transaction. It is my opinion that he paid an unusually high price for a pieced-together kit, so I thought I should mention it to him since he was inquiring. Other people might view that price as fair and that's certainly their prerogative.

These things happen.

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Posted on 18 years ago
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I do not believe that price is fair. I think it was extremely high for what the drums are. If they were a rare matched ROUND badge kit, and was in excellent original condition, then you would have a "fair" price. I think what you got was an assemblage of orphaned drums. Sound-wise, they will still sound like Gretsch..

$ 2500 for a round badge 18/14/12 ??? I daresay a bass drum alone , depending on the finish and condition , would fetsch $ 2000 minimum . A 14x14 round badge floor tom $ 800 min...A 12" $ 400 . If the kit were a factory one , $ 4500-5000 easily .

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Posted on 18 years ago
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Hey jazzbo welcome to the forum!

This post has made its course! What I found intriguing was the original question, "is my gretsch a fake? Help me pls

I think we can all safely say they are not.

Looking at the pictues of the bass drum, what is your opinion on the placement of the tom holder? I think it is over part of the badge?

So then the poster thought they paid to much for a set probably sold as a set instead of being sold as a mixed set.

Hard to say what happened in the original deal and what was said. If the kit was an original matched set based on those sizes and year of drums then the price would be very good. I think we can all agree on that.

In regards to 60's 18" bass drums I have not seen many on Ebay myself, but I have seen plenty 20/14/12 recently. What is your opinion on how many were actually sold in the 18/14/12 configuration? Was it usually a custom order configuration?

Bottom line I think any 18/14/12 original 60's set would bring good bucks.

The trend for big dollars on single drums like 14" Rogers floor toms has just gone crazy. I can see a guy sitting for years waiting for the perfect floor tom and another guy in the same boat. They would probably give a right arm for it so the price goes way up.

Same for Gretsch or any item that is hard to find. I just saw a Kent drum catalog go for $133.00. Ebay is a blast when it comes to selling and a coin toss most of the time.

So basically I guess I'm just throwing out some questions to pick your brain and gain some new knowledge Mind Blowi

Thanks

David

Posted on 18 years ago
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You're probably right, jazzbo, but I don't consider $4-$5000.00 a "fair" price for any Gretsch kit. I didn't even pay that much money for my original, matched Jazzette/Downbeat kit.

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Posted on 18 years ago
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