the seller- bought everything on ebay - at one time- and now tries to sell it all back- on ebay . knows next to nothing about cymbals never won't even discuss a best offer I predict he'll die with every one of them. Cynical- when he/she/it/ bought everything that everyone else was interested---and then comes back----and tries reselling them- at inflated prices. Don't like the seller at all..

Intermediate 18" that bell does look extra large- mines about 1477---nice sticky Ride indeed. With plenty of/ Side Stick /lightning strikes.

That seller irritates me. I don't think it's/ he/ she/ it/ is a musician at all what so ever. More a mail order bride salesperson or some android.

He'll sit on something for twenty years rather letting others enjoy it. Greedy.

No worries, with the tanking world economy, he could very well die with those cymbals. He gambled, and he lost.

He's been dying the past Five years with those cymbals... It's the way he did it that irritates me... Back when you could see the bidders on ebay..... Every cymbal that had action- Paiste/Italian/ A/ old K/ didn't matter/ ... he just wanted to be last bidder. Then turns around relists it with an inflated price.. what's that called...

Choooch? can't stand it/she/him/ droid/

Almost maybe equal to that Japanese buyer. Same deal. Everything that had action/ snare/cymbal/ didn't matter/ he bid up/ and bought/ at top dollar/,.

year later/ all the same/ s__t/ is back on Ebay except with inflated price. I mean how many drummers do they think exist that are that sToopid...(theres a few but not that many. So Sayonora to that cat too.

here he is; ASSumed prices would always Rise what a dptsht

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Zildjian-Istanbul-K18-Ride-Cymbal/283815647447?hash=item4214bb18d7:g:d8IAAOSwMqVebfct

another one that bought up everything on ebay expecting some fantastic return

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Jimmy that's the theory "How to make 1$ million in the ___name a business)

answer: "Start with 2 Million...

On a Cheerier note here's one I wanted to Show Bill : ) Cute isn't she...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Zildjian-13-Swish-Cymbal-w-Rivets-Trans-Stamp-WW-Ship/383465790182?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

not mine of course

And another one I want to Show Bill and get his take on..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/RARE-STAMPED-Vintage-1960s-Zildjian-20-SWISH-knocker-no-rivets/223947123890?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649

I mean I have an older 20" swish (who doesn't) but this one (again not mine) looks a Little bit "different".. odd. Looks "thick"

There used to be a guy on cymbalholic and DFO who called himself Kstasher. As you might imagine, he was buying old K's left and right. It very well could be the guy trying to sell this 18". He was one of the most obnoxious Internet presences I have ever encountered. He'd gloat about his huge collection of K's and start arguments with everyone in sight when they tried to put him in his place. Then, he disappeared. Back then, DFO had it's share of a-holes polluting the forum. One guy in particular was the worst; an obnoxious, sarcastic pri** who fought with everyone for about two years, until we put a lot of pressure on the powers that be and he was thrown off when he started calling people names. We had a feeling he was a percussion industry insider gone berserk who had a gripe against DFO. I think I know who it was, but am not at liberty to say. His initials were JH, a total crackpot I had dealings with.

There was another turkey who was thrown off multiple times and always came back under another name. He was an Englishman, a notorious scam artist, who lived in LA. At one point, he registered as Sonorgirl. I remember reading he was arrested for trying to cheat someone out of money. He bragged for months that he was starting a custom drum company. It was all BS. Then, there was the California chiropractor, a non-drummer, who called himself Vito and tried to act Italian and insult everybody in sight. He finally got kicked off too.

I too think $924-an odd amount-is way too high for that cymbal. I wouldn't pay it. I'm still of the opinion that you can get cymbals today that sound just as good for a fraction of the money people are spending for old K's. Some old A's are dark and dirty and rival K's in sound. But, you know that already.

I agree with everything you said in the post One exception here- you may not expect or think. What can't be found- not talking about 2000$ and 2500$ 20" and 22" old Ks------I'm talking about the little old Ks. 14s 16s and to a very large extent- 18's-------- how old Ks sound perform and act ..

It's the opposite of what "most people" think... Z's Large new K's are pretty doggone serious so old K 20s and old K 22s can be, put down , skipped, suspended....

I find it's the 14s the 16s and 18s.. Nobody make those ...like Old K did. You see I think, today's drummers aren't as interested in the smaller ones....So majority of the R&D today, goes into 20s and 22s and 24s...

.. those little old Ks, 14s, 16s or 18s, are what can make a cymbal set unique.

Secret weapons one can add to a big new Avedis 22 K.

Then, everybody's happy, you have the vintage and the modern, in one set of cymbals.

my example here:

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22 new (2018) K Dark Medium right (3013g)

16" Old K type IVa (left) 1271g

14" Old K Type III (797g) Top

14" Old K constantinople (1200g) bottom

and I got in all in on a St. Pats Day gig " before the close"..

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Seems I can swap pics from Facebook to here: cool.

My "old K Gretsch Garage"

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(If you or anyone can't see three pics there maybe have to be logged into FB? Or can everyone see those? like to know thanks!

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12/10 (toms).

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can everyone see above pic? thanks.