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Hey everyone! This is a 1969 Ludwig. I was wondering if anyone knows what kind of Ludwig this is? I also want to know how much this would differ from the sound of the super classic. Thanks!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Ludwig-4pc-Champagne-Sparkle-1969-/200660129534?pt=Vintgae_Drums_Percussion&hash=item2eb84696fe#ht_500wt_1207

Posted on 13 years ago
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It's either a Hollywood or a Big Beat, if the description about "no extra holes" is correct, because the badge numbers are considered as matching on all the drums. It would help to see the interiors of all the drums to be sure.

A Super Classic is exactly the same set as a Hollywood/Big Beat -except without the 12" tom tom

The bass drum has an added cymbal mount (which is installed upside-down in the picture). A bass drum-mounted cymbal bracket, as such, is not functional in a dual tom tom set because, as you can see in the pictures, the 13" tom inhibits it.

The finish is "Sparkling Champagne Pearl"

The "updated" Pearl-style bass drum spurs is a negative, but is also an indication that the kit was likely a Hollywood model because the Hollywood would have had the swing-out "gull-wing" spurs and they were notorious for not working that great -thus, often replaced. The Big Beat model would have had the disappearing curved spike spurs and those worked very well by comparison and so were not usually replaced. That's just what I suspect. I could be wrong.

There are some things about this kit that are questionable and I would need to see close-up pictures of the badges and the interiors of all the drums before saying anything more.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

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Posted on 13 years ago
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That's a Hollywood kit. It will sound just like a super classic, because it is just that with an added 12". The only problem is the extra holes, on the added leg mounts, on the kick.

Posted on 13 years ago
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Thanks for the info you guys. The guy emailed me back and said the interior is clear. I don't know if that helps any.

Posted on 13 years ago
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He's probably referring to the fact that the finish on the interior ply is clear -as opposed to painted white the way the earlier Ludwig drum shell interiors were done.

What I need to determine is if there are any extra or "weird" holes drilled into the drums. At this point, I suspect there aren't any, but I'd like to see the interiors to be sure.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

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Posted on 13 years ago
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if it was a true holly wood it would not have the L arm mount im thinking converted classic as i have had 2 a 67 and a 68 hollywood no L arm somethings not right sorry nice kit though

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 13 years ago
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It could be that at one point the cymbal arm bracket was added for an optional 4 pc configuration. Back in the mid 70s I added a rail mount to one of my rock-duo (virgin) BDs because some clubs we played in were small and didn't have much room. (I wouldn't do that NOW, but back then I didn't think anything about it!) Shoot, I even filled in with a "polka" band one time, and thought the double-bass set a bit much...

I've also bought kits to restore that the diamond plate w/double-mount and extra tom were added later. I don't know if this kit has the extra rail-mount holes (didn't pay that close attention) or not, but if it does that might explain it.

It is a nice looking kit.

Bill
Cherryvale, Ks
"Redrums - Ks" on FB and Reverb
(also "billnvick" on eBay)
Posted on 13 years ago
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and the spurs r wrong

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 13 years ago
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Yeah, I noticed that right off, but it was mentioned in the description...

Bill
Cherryvale, Ks
"Redrums - Ks" on FB and Reverb
(also "billnvick" on eBay)
Posted on 13 years ago
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