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ID mystery snare=> east Europe??

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Dear vdf-members,

Bumped into this snare and was intrigued by it.

Took it home, but until now couldn't ID it.

It's a 14" thin wooden shell with reinforcement rings.

6 offset lugs (=> heavy die cast) at each side

single flanged hoops

I suspect it's east European, but love to hear your opinion on this snare.

Origin, brand, era, sound etc.

Thanks, Wouter

[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12674658/Mystery%20snare_3.JPG[/IMG]

[IMG]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/12674658/Mystery%20snare_5.JPG[/IMG]

Posted on 10 years ago
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hi,

don't really know, but lugs look like my red sparkle "Mori" bass drum.

are they aluminium like mine?

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=31561&highlight=mori

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Posted on 10 years ago
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Look on the hoops if you see a little "MORI" tag

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Posted on 10 years ago
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I'd be very careful doing rim shots on this one if I were you...

Posted on 10 years ago
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Doesn't look eastern european to me. AOnly a few of these manufacuters used lugs with inserts, and the design doesn't look like one of them, the hoops don't look the part as well. my guess would be western germany.

Posted on 10 years ago
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Thanks guys for your thoughts!

@Sgt_pepers: I can't find any signs of Mori on the rims and the lugs aren't aluminum. They weigh 115gr each! So really well build and a big contrast to the ultra-light shell!

@Teverson-sr: LOL, I suspect it's more of a concert / marching snare

@Beermaniac: You could be right there. I did some search in West-German drumcatalogs and my snare closely resembles parts of the snare halfway this Tromsa catalog: Tromsa catalog 1959

Follow-up question:

Supposed this drum is west-German, may I suspect an sound that is as decent as the way this snare is built? They surely didn't save money on the hardware ;-)

Posted on 10 years ago
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It does resemble it, but i don't think it's one of these. First of all, i'm familiar with those Tromsa lugs, and they don't havei inserts. The shape is familiar, but that's about it. second - the lug pattern is incorrect. Third - i've seen these Tromsa drums in person, and the throwoff isn't the same. Fourth - wingnuts on drum bolts. None of the eastern european drum manufacturers used them anywhere, accept for the bass drums.

Keep in mind all Tromsa, like all of the soviet era manufacturers copied their designs from the western counterparts, that's why there are many familiarities :)

Posted on 10 years ago
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any question about Tromsa?

follow that:

http://home.arcor.de/pfaue/tromsa/tromsa.htm

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Posted on 10 years ago
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Beermaniac & SGT_pepers: thanks for the redirection of my search.

It doesn't help that they copied that much in the past.

However, it doesn't change my plans of cleaning up this snare and let it have a 2nd / 3rd or whatever life again. I was intrigued by its appearance and still am.

I will continue my search to ID this snare. My next try will be "Kings" (also tromsa related). I know that they have made lots of snares in the 60s / 70s for the Dutch market. So could be another possibility. We'll see!

You're always welcome to give your thoughts which are highly appreciated.

Grtz, Wouter

Posted on 10 years ago
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Beermaniac; you are partially correct about Tromsa. The earlier Tromsa lugs , like those of, Deri, Sonor, Trixon and Trowa from the same era were cast aluminum and the insert was a simple nut held into a relief , usually by a foam or felt block. So, they didn't have inserts like the familiar ones that are spring loaded but they did have inserts.Tromsa did make a small number of entry level drums, that had the rod thread directly into a cast lug. Later in the 50's , Tromsa, went to stamped brass lugs for about 20 years. These again had a simple nut insert, held in it's relief with a foam block. Tromsa, was a West German company. They were very design independent. The hardware, shells ,throwoffs and mufflers, don't really bear much resemblance to anyone else. About the only close similarity to other drum company's designs are the hoops, that are very similar to Slingerland sticksavers but then Tromsa appears to have been making those since the early 50's and then, the bullet shaped offset lugs, which they were using in the 40's. In the 70's , Tromsa did change their lugs again ,making ones that superficially resembled Slingy lugs but they were much fatter and then later, the made a pointy lug that looked a little Ludwigesque. It is often quoted that small or unknown or East European companies copied the important maker's drums but this is not so true, if you carefully look into the derivation of the designs , the resources available and the market for the drums.

The drum in this thread, appears to be an old Beverley parade snare to me. Beverley used a throwoff, very much like that on their higher end snares, into the 50's.....long and thin, with a longish cast lever, that went in and out and had simple bullet shaped rounded lugs like those. The lugs had spring loaded inserts. They also had a pronounced , thick re-ring( over 1/2"), something that few German drums ever had; Deri and later Sonors being an exception.

Posted on 10 years ago
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