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I am a guitarist surrounded by drummers...Help, found Vintage Ludwig Kit

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Thanks to Matt, "tillerva", here at the forum I have the entire lug assembly I was missing. The lug is in nickel and the rest of it in chrome. No big deal as I will install it on the bottom of the drum. That's just a reflection in the nickel, Matt sent me a nice one.

Bass Drum Update:

This will have to serve as the "before" pic for the bass drum hardware. Looks to be a little better than the Floor Tom stuff, but not as good as the 12" tom. Unfortunately, these lug mounting screws are going to need the full monty as the floor tom did. Another user here has been kind enough to offer me some BOP wrap scraps he has to patch the Pearl Mount holes. Also need to sand and repaint the hoops. Sadly, the hoops are a little out of round from what I would guess to be to an overzealous tuning and an overtightened bass pedal. Not bad though, I'm hoping that rotating them and a few years tuned properly might help them out.

PS - Playing along with "Ticket to Ride" is really fun on drums. I still don't know a good sounding set of drums from bad, but I swear my kit sounds just like all my favorite Beatles tunes.

[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/mweasel/ludwig/basshardware.jpg[/IMG]

Surrounded by drummers here! (I am a guitarist.)
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1970/71? Ludwig Downbeat in Blue Oyster Pearl
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=33677
Posted on 11 years ago
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If those drums could talk...

They'd be saying... Thank's Moonweasel... You are our saviour... We love you.. Don't ever leave us... ( in three part harmony )..

Great work..

Cheers

'77 Slingerland 51N,Super Rock 24,18,14,13.. COW 8,10 Concert toms
'69 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
'75 Rogers Dynasonic 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'77-78 Slingerland 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'78-79 Slingerland 5 1/4 x14 8 lug COB
'79 Biman 5 1/4, Acrolite
'82 Slingerland 5 1/4 x 14. Festival COS
'84 Tama MasterCraft Superstar 6.5 x 14, 10 lug Rosewood
'98 Slingerland (Music YO) 6" 10 Lug Maple.. NOS
Zildjian, Sabian , UFIP & Paiste mix.
Posted on 11 years ago
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From longjohn

If those drums could talk... They'd be saying... Thank's Moonweasel... You are our saviour... We love you.. Don't ever leave us... ( in three part harmony )..Great work..Cheers

:)

I love playing drums as much as a I ever have now that I own my first kit, but the real surprise is how much I enjoy fixing them up. Might start looking for ones to buy, save, and get back out there. Maybe one a year or something.

Surrounded by drummers here! (I am a guitarist.)
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1970/71? Ludwig Downbeat in Blue Oyster Pearl
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=33677
Posted on 11 years ago
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Oooo... Better watch out moonweasel, that's how it all starts! Once you get bitten by the vintage drum bug, there's no turning back. It always starts with just that one kit, and then you think 'oh, just one more...', then 'just one more can't hurt...', then 'I know I have 3 others to get to, but this one is a deal I just can't pass up...'. Ah yes, addictive, but we all do it, and we all love it! Rock on and keep 'em coming!

Posted on 11 years ago
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From longjohn

Just one more thing... You seem far too smart to be a guitarist... maybe you should rethink your career choice..Great job on the chrome..Cheers..

And,he seems to have less ego then a guitarist!Excited

"Always make sure your front bottom BD lugs clear the ground!"
Posted on 11 years ago
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From Mspartacus

Oooo... Better watch out moonweasel, that's how it all starts! Once you get bitten by the vintage drum bug, there's no turning back. It always starts with just that one kit, and then you think 'oh, just one more...', then 'just one more can't hurt...', then 'I know I have 3 others to get to, but this one is a deal I just can't pass up...'. Ah yes, addictive, but we all do it, and we all love it! Rock on and keep 'em coming!

Heheheh, people say the same thing in the vintage guitar world. I have to say though, with all due respect to vintage drums, they buy in price is MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper. So, enjoying the restoration process once a year and then selling them seems more doable.

Definitely bitten by the bug. :)

Surrounded by drummers here! (I am a guitarist.)
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1970/71? Ludwig Downbeat in Blue Oyster Pearl
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=33677
Posted on 11 years ago
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From blairndrums

And,he seems to have less ego then a guitarist!Excited

Blair,

I think drummers are nicer in general because they have to be a certain kind of person to go through so much s$%t to learn and play an instrument. I mean, you guys have to re-set up your drums EVERY time you move them for practice, gigs, etc. You have ten times as much stuff to carry. They are no fun to play quietly, so you have no choice but to **** off neighbors etc. Not to mention, no one is instantly good at drums, so you have to deal with neighbors who have to listen to you LEARN how to plays drums.

Lots of opportunities to build character... I mean it.

Then again, as I stated before in this thread, drummers sit in the back because they are inferior. Party Party Party

(i kid of course, but no amount of vintage drums will fully take away from loyalty to my fellow guitarists. :) :) )

Surrounded by drummers here! (I am a guitarist.)
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1970/71? Ludwig Downbeat in Blue Oyster Pearl
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=33677
Posted on 11 years ago
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Even though all of you are inferior,

A genuine thank you for all the help so far. Incredibly nice people here.

Surrounded by drummers here! (I am a guitarist.)
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1970/71? Ludwig Downbeat in Blue Oyster Pearl
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=33677
Posted on 11 years ago
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From Mspartacus

Very interesting. I'd like to see what the others have. Is this another one of those strange Ludwig things where it depended on the worker's artful judgement or was there actually a hard rule about how these were placed? Knowing what I've learned about Ludwig, I'd have to say the former.MW... nice work so far! I'm still following the thread Cool1

Just going back a little.. There is indeed a correct way..

Tom Leg \ Cymbal mount brackets, are generally assembled with a right hander in mind... that is, with the thumbscrew to the right.. it is a much more natural process when setting up & pulling down... for any of you lefty's out there.. when you do get the opportunity set your lugs in reverse and you'll see the difference. I used to set up new pearl kits out of the box and always reversed the lugs for the left handed players.

Cheers

'77 Slingerland 51N,Super Rock 24,18,14,13.. COW 8,10 Concert toms
'69 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
'75 Rogers Dynasonic 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'77-78 Slingerland 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'78-79 Slingerland 5 1/4 x14 8 lug COB
'79 Biman 5 1/4, Acrolite
'82 Slingerland 5 1/4 x 14. Festival COS
'84 Tama MasterCraft Superstar 6.5 x 14, 10 lug Rosewood
'98 Slingerland (Music YO) 6" 10 Lug Maple.. NOS
Zildjian, Sabian , UFIP & Paiste mix.
Posted on 11 years ago
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Following this saga with great interest.

I am also a drum-owning guitarist; back in July my neighbor was going to dumpster most of an old CB700 kit when other neighbors intervened and suggested he ask me first.

He did ask me and I said, sure, I'll take the stuff and either use it or find a good home for it.

I got the lauan kick drum, mounted toms, cymbal stand, snare stand, and the prize of the pile, a Rogers Supreme hi hat stand.

None of the drums had reso heads, but the toms had all their hoops and the kick drum had no heads or hoops and was missing many lugs.

A friend at a music store gave me a bass head and hoop for peanuts, a friend loaned me a kick pedal, and another neighbor gave me an old pre-Tama marching snare. Craig's List offered up some cheap hats and a crash, and Musicgoround had a ride.

Set up the kit in my dining room and started playing it, and after a few weeks the bug bit.

Hauled the kit out and played at the neighborhood block party jam on Labor Day, with the kick and toms set up "concert" style, no reso heads.

Since then I've done a ton of work on the shells, repairing the bearing edges, doing a new wrap in sparkle barstool vinyl, tearing the hardware down completely, degreasing, de-rusting, polishing, and reassembling with new lubrication.

Replacement lugs, reso heads, upgraded tom mounts, added the matching lauan floor tom, found a CB700 snare and fixed it up, scored a fixer-upper DW5000 kick pedal.

Gearwise, the drum world is kind of a different culture than the guitar world, where the very pinnacle of desirable instruments is 50+ years old. Drum dudes seem to go more for the latest shiny new stuff, the folks on this forum notwithstanding.

One thing you haven't mentioned is the freaking number that learning to play drums does on one's head.

I've played guitar, bass, and piano off and on for about 35 years, and learning drums has made me use way different parts of my brain than learning those instruments. It feels "natural" to me in ways that other instruments did not.

I find myself wanting to play with other people again, but as a drummer. Kinda messing with my self-identity.

For those who have read this far, here's a joke:

Q: What's the difference between a guitar player and a savings bond?

A: A savings bond will eventually mature and earn money

Posted on 11 years ago
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