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How thick are the 1969 era Ludwig tom hoops?

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I am still restoring this set...

http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=15647

...and the auction said it came with original hoops on the tops (of the toms) and replacements on the bottom.

As it turns out, I'm not sure any of them are the original (or which ones) because they are all different.

I pulled out my micrometer and measured the thicknesses on the various hoops.

One obvious cheapo is the 16" tom hoops and it is only 0.050" thick and it feels like I could bend it in half with my little pinkie finger.

The next is the 12" replacement (I think) and it measures 0.060" think. It feels a lot stronger than the 16", being that it's a little thicker and only 12" instead of 16".

The third is the 12" original (I think) and it measures 0.090" thick. This thing feels nice and solid.

The 13" hoops are the same specs as the 12".

Anyone know if the 0.090" hoops are what was used in this era/model drum set?

Will I have tuning problems with the cheaper hoops?

Thanks

EDIT:

Also, these hoops all attract a strong magnet so I presume that chrome over steel was the standard for this era/model.

Thanks again

Posted on 14 years ago
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Standard vintage rims, as I understand it, are the light ones -somewhere around 1.6 mm.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From O-Lugs

Standard vintage rims, as I understand it, are the light ones -somewhere around 1.6 mm.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Hmmmm, that's interesting. That would be the 0.060" hoops. I would have figured the 0.090" to be the original.

So, now the question comes up.... what to do.

Would it somehow, make things unbalanced to use the thicker hoops with the thinner?

If not, any suggestions on which to put on top and which to put on the bottom?

I'm pretty new. What would be the difference in tuning with thicker and/or thinner hoops (if any)?

Anyone think I should match up hoops?

So many questions.... LOL

Thanks

Posted on 14 years ago
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It's probably going to make some difference.

The thicker rims will be stiffer. So, from eyelet-to-eyelet, the rim will be more unified and, supposedly, tension around the perimeter of the head will have enhanced evenness.

Thinner rims add less mass to the drum, allowing the shell to play a more significant role in the overall sound. They flex more, so there will be more downward pressure at the eyelets than there will be in-between the eyelets.

Some people who are particularly picky about such things might feel the way to get the most vintage sound from a vintage drum is to try and utilize the types of components that would have been used back in the day.

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