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Hihat 16'th notes, how to?

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I've been drumming for the past 6 months or so and i'm self taught.

I've managed to learn a lot of nice techniques, both foot techniques and hand techniques like the Heel and toe, but there's just 1 thing that's ****ing me off that i just cant get right.

You will laugh at this... really.

16'th Notes on the Hihat.

On medium tempos i can do it fine, but when it comes to playing them at a faster tempo like this guy here: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keSx7ySxI-o[/ame]

I cant do it, i tried bouncing the sticks off the Hihat so i can play faster but it doesnt work for me.

Do you guys have any tips / Videos / Tutorials for me?

I tried googling / youtube but no one shows you HOW to do it in detail.

Posted on 14 years ago
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I know its boring so just pratice your snare rudiments , the double stroke roll(llrrllrr) , the five stroke roll and paradiddle and the double parradidle are very important and help your hand , pratice that and one days thats was easy for you.

Posted on 14 years ago
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thats a quote!!!!!!!!!

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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You can see that the guy in the video is letting his sticks bounce as he does those "double strokes" (they're not really double strokes--you can see his back fingers coming off of the sticks while he plays them). Notice how uneven and inconsistent it sounds? If you want to play that fast and have it sound good, you should work up your single/double/triple strokes, legitimately. It will probably take you a couple of years, but one of the cool things about drumming is that there is always something to work on/up/towards. And, when you finally get your chops up to par, you can play some amazing stuff that will sound MUCH better and cleaner than this guy...

1970 Ludwig Downbeat
1965 Ludwig Hollywood
1970 Ludwig Jazzette
Posted on 14 years ago
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Wow. A Tigger outfit? Really? Dude, wouldn't you rather learn from an instructor......in person? Was that a video for 2 to 4 year olds? I don't get this internet instruction stuff, but I guess I'm old, now. Maybe Disney has a video game style drum tutorial for an X-Box or the other thing. What happened?

Nevermind, I have a bottle of melatonin calling me. Sorry.

Vintage Drum Fan (Not a Guru)
Posted on 14 years ago
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Sorry i didnt introduce myself.

I'm Leonidas and i'm 22. ( Yeah ironic name.. LEO get it? )

Where i come from instructors are just after your money and want to spend as much time as possible teaching you some Very Basic Technique like kicking the bass Drum, so they can profit as much as possible off you.

So now that the above are clear, for a guy in a Tiger suit, he sure has some awesome Video Tutorials :P

Thanks Caddymumpus.

So in the end, i have to kind of "Bounce" the sticks on the hihat...

Is there any special way / Suggested way to hold the Hihat Stick while doing this? I tried some really stupid ways of holding it, some worked some didnt.

I tried using my fingers to bounce the stick, kind of like how DeathCore drumplayers play the snare, it worked a bit but i dont wanna keep doing that if there's a better way of doing it.

Any tips on that?

Posted on 14 years ago
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I don't understand are you having problems with 16ths or achieving the roll technique? Playing straight 16ths should never require any bounce. Technically neither should your doubles, but unless you are years into technique it sometimes helps to let the stick bounce freely on the upstroke. The only answer is to practice your rudiments daily, solid rolls take years to perfect. I'd suggest a good rudimental snare book to add to your daily routine if you don't already have one. Once you get the hang of the roll and diddle rudiments you will have no problem playing hi-hat patterns like in this video.

Posted on 14 years ago
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From Leenix

Thanks Caddymumpus.So in the end, i have to kind of "Bounce" the sticks on the hihat...Is there any special way / Suggested way to hold the Hihat Stick while doing this? I tried some really stupid ways of holding it, some worked some didnt.

NOOOOOOO!!!! You DON'T bounce the stick! That's the point!

There's a fine line between "bounce" and "rebound". "Bouncing the stick" is when you use one stroke and get multiple notes out of it. The stick bounces on its own. This is NOT a double-stroke roll, as the second stroke is not an actual stroke, but a bounce. The second stroke will never be as loud as the first stroke, due to the laws of physics, which is why people who do this have very uneven-sounding rolls.

"Rebound" is allowing the stick to bounce upward after playing, so that you don't have to bring the stick back up with your wrists. You then start the next stroke as an actual stroke (not as a bounce of the first stroke). Basically, it's not getting in the way of the stick as it propels back up after a stroke.

If you were to do strokes with one hand, it would be almost like dribbling a basketball. When you throw the ball down, you allow it to come back up to your hand on its own, you "catch" it, control it, and throw it back down (repeat). If you were to liken this analogy to what Tigger in the video is doing, it would be like throwing the ball down and moving your hand down with the ball, pushing down in order to get more quick bounces out of it. You'd have to pick it back up in order to start the process over again, and your dribbling wouldn't be efficient as you'd have to constantly bend over because the "dribbling" turns into smaller bounces that aren't sustainable.

This isn't about double-strokes, but the idea of rebound and not bouncing should be evident in this video:

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/jojomayerfingertechnique.html

Hope this helps!

1970 Ludwig Downbeat
1965 Ludwig Hollywood
1970 Ludwig Jazzette
Posted on 14 years ago
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A technique (not from a technical standpoint) for playing 16ths in 4/4 was shown to me by an R&B drummer years ago. Before that, I struggled trying to physically master 16ths, especially at faster tempos. This can be adapted for other time signatures.

He showed a way of moving the arm forward striking the edge of the hi-hat on what would normally be 8th note strokes, then strike downward on the note between the 8th note strokes while moving the arm back towards the body. In effect, you are pumping your arm while letting rebound and wrist action ease the process.

With practice, emphasis can be placed on any strokes.

Not being schooled, I was either shown or stole what little I know about playing.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Definitely need to learn to walk before you start running. 6 months into drumming is very early to be even thinking about playing this fast.

Just my 2 cents.

1968 Slingerland Red Sparkle
Posted on 14 years ago
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