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Hi Gunnar.

This kit is a conglomerate with different drums, hardware and other parts (owner has a not bad hands..) :)

1. Snare is the last model of german TROWA - it was produced just before rename to TACTON in 1970. Good sound parallel action snare with round eccentric managing and stamped/welded stick-saver's hoops. As Dule said correctly, original mechanic is really missing...

The shell is 3-ply beech with force-rings, 6 lugs.

2. Snare stand is Soviet "EPOIMI" (made in Engels town).

3. Two of cymbal stands is EPOIMI too.

4. The middle cymbal stand is the last TROWA & following to TACTON, produced from 1970 to near 1977.

5. As Gilnar said, HH is Chech AMATI.

6. BD and FT are TACTON (II - III model) in original, produced from 1970 to near 1984. These have a birch shells (as variant these can be without force-rings).

7. Both of rack toms are EPOIMI changed to TROWA's mounts (not bad job). Shells are from birch, maybe with force-rings or without them.

The upper hoop on deeper tom installed from TROWA.

8. Toms holder is assembled from original TACTON parts with help by one bottom bolt from most oldest version of EPOIMI's stands on this holder...)

That's the end of analysis. :)

Below you can see TACTON kit of the same era in the best original condition from the far Russian town Abakan placed in the Siberian taiga forest.

As Jonni said - a destiny of this set is in your hands. You can get a good sounding kit. That's right.

Good luck,

George.

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Posted on 13 years ago
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M-mm... sorry, I replaced my previous reply---added a pic. :)

From teverson-sr

...And a good adventure-set the snare aside and search for or construct the missing snare mechanism parts.

I sure that it will be not so hard to Gunnar to find an original throwoff parts in Belarus - by online on belorussian or nearest ukranian drumforums.

George.

Posted on 13 years ago
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Hi again! Thanks for all the good input! I still havenĀ“t actually seen the drumset, but this week I hope to find time. Whatever the outcome, this little thread really boosted my knowledge of drummakers in this part of Europe - nice!

Posted on 13 years ago
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From Dule

Bass drum and floor are definitely Tacton from 60-70 ties,inside of the floor tom should be painted in dark red,it is one ply shell with re-rings.Must check if there are original 16' hoop,not sure US made heads can fit in this hoop.Snare and toms are I believe Trowa former East German production,with lot of parts almost identical as Tacton.Snare is missing parallel snare mechanism and i think that snare is also one ply with rings.You need some strainer for him and you can make nice snare(I mean put a new one from some other manufacturer and drill new holes).Here is link to some pics of Trowa drums and you can check that they look like thos on your picshttp://www.drummuseum.hu/gyujtemeny_a.php?a=c&f=2&mid=34&cid=59

You've pretty much got it covered, Dule-----Its a kind of U.N. of the eastern bloc kit.---the Trowa snare is actually a very fine drum and the missing throwoff arm? -----hard to find but not that hard to make. I can give you all the dimensions of the parts if you message me. The odd thing I see, are a couple of stands that are Russian-----the snare and the cymbal stand with the huge feet. I own one of those snare stands and it really is an engineering triumph. ---built really old school with heavy steel and all of the threads are Acme,------which are the strongest threads made----must be machined, not cut, and were designed specifically for continuous use and freedom from stripping.The sleeves on the snare basket arms on mine are stitched suede leather! Those stands will last forever.There isn't a crappy component in them and not one microgram of white or pot metal. I'd buy them in an instant,if they were available to me. This is a hodgepodge kit but I can identify about 8 items in it that are of the highest quality.

Posted on 13 years ago
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[QUOTE=Father-42;123781]Hi Gunnar.

This kit is a conglomerate with different drums, hardware and other parts (owner has a not bad hands..) :)

1. Snare is the last model of german TROWA - it was produced just before rename to TACTON in 1970. Good sound parallel action snare with round eccentric managing and stamped/welded stick-saver's hoops. As Dule said correctly, original mechanic is really missing...

The shell is 3-ply beech with force-rings, 6 lugs.

2. Snare stand is Soviet "EPOIMI" (made in Engels town).

3. Two of cymbal stands is EPOIMI too.

sorry, George; for some reason I completely missed your post about this.

4. The middle cymbal stand is the last TROWA & following to TACTON, produced from 1970 to near 1977.

5. As Gilnar said, HH is Chech AMATI.

6. BD and FT are TACTON (II - III model) in original, produced from 1970 to near 1984. These have a birch shells (as variant these can be without force-rings).

7. Both of rack toms are EPOIMI changed to TROWA's mounts (not bad job). Shells are from birch, maybe with force-rings or without them.

The upper hoop on deeper tom installed from TROWA.

8. Toms holder is assembled from original TACTON parts with help by one bottom bolt from most oldest version of EPOIMI's stands on this holder...)

That's the end of analysis. :)

Below you can see TACTON kit of the same era in the best original condition from the far Russian town Abakan placed in the Siberian taiga forest.

As Jonni said - a destiny of this set is in your hands. You can get a good sounding kit. That's right.

Good luck,

George.

sorry , George; I completely missed your post about this-----you, I'm sure got it right.------I have a question?? do you know when Tacton started using the laminated cardboard(fibreboard) for the shells. I know, they made them but all of the examples available to me are wood-----3 kinds so far beech,birch and spruce(softwood, anyway)-----i suspect due to rampant forest dieback and the wide availability of material.

Posted on 13 years ago
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From calfskin

sorry , George; I completely missed your post about this-----you, I'm sure got it right.------I have a question?? do you know when Tacton started using the laminated cardboard(fibreboard) for the shells. I know, they made them but all of the examples available to me are wood-----3 kinds so far beech,birch and spruce(softwood, anyway)-----i suspect due to rampant forest dieback and the wide availability of material.

So, Phil, during near 1970 - 1974 they continued to use (like TROWA)a mid budget Asian mahogany, luan and beech from socialist friends - Vietnam, China, Birma, Laos, Cambodia and caoba wood from Cuba too (low cost different asian sorts of luan were imported to GDR under the numerous names - mersava, padouk, narra---- I don't know all of them). My 3-ply TROWA set has a shells composition as external luan, middle beech and mahogany inner + beech force-rings.

By the way, Cuba is still a lot of TROWA & TACTON in the working condition... :)

Further Weissenfels crossed to beech and then to birch + softwood-ply combined shells and the next step was 6 and 9-ply shells without force-rings.

I guess that bakelized paper-hot-rolled shells came near after 79-82's and it was a great bad surprise for us (then in that years we couldn't know about low lines of Premier, Pearl &etc made from fibreboard, chipboard and epoxy or polyester resin mixed on textile-residues).

During TACTON's last years drummers could been see even an amazing mix of wooden and fibreboard shells placed in one the same kit... :)

That was clear - it's the beginning of the end... :(

In general, Germans had always very strictly monitor their own forests, protected and cared for them - they preferred import of wood for different manufactures.

Posted on 13 years ago
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