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Forensic analysis of the damage on a 22" K. type IIa

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Some of you who read Cymbalholic may recall seeing this post:

http://www.cymbalholic.com/forums/showthread.php?11908-I-bought-an-old-K!&highlight=Istanbul

I know this cymbal and the guy who last owned it. He bought it off eBay around 2006. He's a jazz drummer from Philly named Paul Albrecht. At that time when it was on eBay there was some discussion about it on Cymbalholic. There was a spot where the edge was clearly bent downward that you could see in the video. Everybody was gushing about it how rare it was and great sounding etc. But then when I mentioned that with that edge bend, it's likely that it was dropped on its edge at some point and that there could be reason to use some caution because of that. But everybody was so giddy about that they dismissed my comment out of hand probably thinking that I was just trying to **** on everybody's happy parade. But my friend Paul bought it and later told me that it had developed a crack and that he had stopped playing it. And now you see the long term results: the crescent shaped area is where is where the original edge bend and resulting crack formed. The other dremeled out portions that are roughly opposite that edge also developed cracks. These were secondary and probably showed up some time later than the primary did. The shock waves (and i use that term loosely) were sufficient that when they traveled around the circumference of the cymbal, and where they combined when they met on the opposite side, produced sufficient energy to cause those secondary cracks to form as well. Interesting to note that a similar phenomena can be seen to have occurred where on earth where a very large asteroid impact has occurred. This large impact in Antarctica is now the suspected cause of massive earthquakes and volcanism that occurred in Siberia around the same time, that previously was unexplained at the antipode. This shattering occurring at the opposite side of the earth and now by extension on the opposite side of this cymbal is also seen on the side opposite to where the original damage was done. This is referred to being at the antipode, and the physics is basically the same in both cases.

Nobody wanted to listen to me back then. But....

Do you feel me now?

Posted on 5 years ago
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Of course there would be reason for caution, it's tempered and it's brittle. Both heating and or hammering will do that to metal.

Same as glass, a non tempered window will break into a dozen pieces, a tempered window will shatter into a million little pieces.

Impact shock travels different trough both.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
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[ame]https://youtu.be/htpAiVAy6i8[/ame]

.................................................. ......Joe
Posted on 5 years ago
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Despite all its been through, it still sounds great. And 22" K's from this era are scarcer than hen's teeth.

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[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXwBLcyUPtA&feature=youtu.be"]19.03.2019 Jeff Ballard in Switzerland - YouTube[/ame]

.................................................. ......Joe
Posted on 5 years ago
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Dude tunes that bd too high to get a short note. That’s Only my opinion so don’t attack please.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 5 years ago
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I was in NYC last weekend and I stopped by Maxwell's Drums. And by sheer coincidence I met the owner of this very cymbal there; the guy pictured here, Paul Wells.

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Posted on 5 years ago
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I forgot to mention that while I was there the very first vintage A that I found that it had a trademark type variant that I've never seen before...a true one off; it's a trans of stamp variant, but with larger font for all three of these: the "Avedis Zildjian", the "Genuine Turkish Cymbals", and "Made in U.S.A." In addition the Arabic script is a uniquely different design than any other that's been seen before. This was of a completely unexpected discovery. So just when I thought that I've seen everything, Then I find that there's yet some more.

Posted on 5 years ago
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From Drumaholic

I was in NYC last weekend and I stopped by Maxwell's Drums. And by sheer coincidence I met the owner of this very cymbal there; the guy pictured here, Paul Wells.

Ha! Paul's met the..Master!

.................................................. ......Joe
Posted on 5 years ago
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Paul truly is a first class guy. It was a pleasure to meet up with him.

And I sent him a link to this thread about his cymbal too.

Jesse also came up to greet me. I hadn't seen him for about 15 years going back to when he was still in Chicago.

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