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First commercially available brushes?

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Hi,

This is fascinating.

My (probably apocryphal) memory of early brush use involves Baby Dodds using paint brushes. I don't have the Dodds book anymore, but PAS has him talking about his earliest use of wire brushes:

Early in 1922 Dodds joined the band of Joe 'King' Oliver in San Francisco. A few months later the band relocated to Chicago, where Louis Armstrong joined the group.

'One day Joe bought me some wire brushes,' Dodds remembered. 'It was a new thing and I was probably the first guy that ever worked with wire brushes in this part of the country. But I still beat heavy even with the brushes. I didn’t like the brushes and couldn’t get anything out of them. But I realized that I should learn to be lighter with the sticks. I worked on this and began getting very technical with the drumsticks. That’s why I can beat so light now with sticks.'

http://www2.pas.org/About/HofDetails.cfm?IFile=Dodds

The use of mundane household implements makes sense as well, along with brooms, rub boards seem to have been used as instruments since the minstrel days.

On the performer side, ONeil Spencer -- who I have only read about -- is often noted for his brush playing. Though his dates aren't early enough to be one of the earliest.

thanks gentlemen,

Patrick

Posted on 14 years ago
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Patrick, excellent input. Thank you. Coincidentally, the Dodds book should be arriving through my letterbox tomorrow morning so I'll check to see if there are any further references to Fly Swatters etc.

A claim about Dodds being the first brush player was one of the reasons for me starting this thread. As you point out, he arrived in Chicago in 1922. His comments about not being that handy with brushes to begin with, confirm my suspicions that unfamiliarity with them was the reason for not using them on any of the Oliver sides he played on. It would have been the perfect opportunity for him to have done so: as mentioned already, recording equipment until the late 20s was sensitive and couldn't take a full drum kit.

However, if Ludwig were making - or at least branding products made by a specialist manufacturer - their own brushes in 1923, it doesn't tie in with Dodds inventing the style. If it can be shown that drum companies were selling brushes prior to 1922, it rules Dodds out of the picture.

Dodds may well have been the first to record with them, however. According to Jelly Roll Morton (BS artiste extraordinaire):

"My contributions were many: First clown director, with witty saying and flashily dressed, now called master of ceremonies; first glee club in orchestra; the first washboard was recorded by me; bass fiddle, drums - which was supposed to be impossible to record. I produced the fly swatter (they now call them brushes). Of course many imitators arose after my being fired or quitting....Lord protect us from more Hitlers and Mussolinis."

Taken from a letter by Morton published in the August edition of Downbeat Magazine 1938, in which he famously declared that he invented Jazz in 1902.

At least Morton confirms that brushes were originally fly-swatters. As for his other pronouncements...[cue theme from The Twilight Zone]

Some further tidbits:

"Sandpaper or its equivalent is not hard to procure, and a fly swatter or a whisk broom playing on a suitcase has proved its rhythmic value even in professional bands"

From a description of how to have fun at a party by using "household utensils as the foundation of a rhythm band", Music For Fun by Sigmund Gottfried (1942).

"The technique of playing drums with brushes has been shrouded in mystery for years. Even the origins of the brush are not clear. The room that once housed the famous Mintons' [sic] Playhouse, in Harlem, has a fading mural depicting a Harlem apartment jam session. One of the jamming musicians, with his back to the viewer, has a newspaper on his lap and is surely making sweeping sounds with the whisk brooms in his left hand."

From the introduction to Brushworks: the new language of playing brushes By Clayton Cameron, Karla Cameron

http://www.flickr.com/photos/professorbop/464619524/

The mural is from either 1946 or 1948, depending on which source you happen to believe.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Thanks Gerry,

More and more to learn,

cheers,

Patrick

Posted on 14 years ago
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More info for the timeline:

Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue for piano and jazz band (Jan 25, 1924) includes "fly swatter" amongst the list of orchestration. My local library should have the score for this, so I'll check it out on Monday.

More trivia:

Tap Dancing America: A Cultural History By Constance Valis Hill, mentions a dancer called Jack Donahue (born 1892) who did a tap dance using a whisk broom, in New York, 1912. His speciality was sand dancing and he continued to play Vaudeville even in the 1920s when he was a broadway star. George Burns, Gracie Allen and Fred Astaire perform the "Whisk- broom" tap dance in the film Damsel in Distress.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8WzKBvewYI[/ame]

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Posted on 14 years ago
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This is the original recording of Rhapsody in Blue:

http://www.archive.org/details/rhapblue11924

1:10 mark, unless my ears are deceiving me, features a fly-swat.

Part 2 if anyone's interested:

http://www.archive.org/details/rhapblue21924

This could just be the first recording to feature brushes.

My library doesn't have the full orchestral score, only an abridged version for piano (checked their online catalogue). Next time anyone's passing a music shop, please check.

The above version seems to be abridged, to fit it on the record. There's an orchestral version on yootoob that is a recent recording and a lot clearer, but, ironically, I couldn't hear the percussion parts as the orchestra were so bloody loud!

This is a clearer version of Fletcher Henderson's Copenhagen:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZwpzK57z0Y[/ame]

The section that I thought featured brushes, doesn't (0:20 mark onwards).

So, the Jelly Roll sides are probably the first Jazz recordings to feature brushes (hence Morton's claim).

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Posted on 14 years ago
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The Dodds book came through this morning. Two things are clear: he wasn't the first drummer to ever use brushes and he didn't much care for them.

The following are all the brush-related excerpts I could find:

'In 1923 I used very heavy sticks. One day Joe told me, "I want to try to get you to beat light," and he brought me some wire brushes. It was a new thing and I was probably the first guy that ever worked with wire brushes in this part of the country [bold, my edit]. But I still beat heavy even with the brushes and Joe said, "You'd beat heavy with two wet mops. Give me those things. Take your sticks back." I didn't like the brushes and couldn't get anything out of them. It seemed lazy to me. But I realized that I should learn to beat lighter with the sticks. I worked on this and began getting very technical with the drum sticks. That is why I can beat so light now with sticks.'

On the next page, talking about how he accompanied different instruments:

'With the piano I tried to play as soft as I could with a low press roll; not too soft, of course, but just the right volume. I didn't use brushes because they did not give shading to the drum tone.'

On working as a duo with female pianist Cleo Brown at the Three Deuces in 1931:

'Of course with Cleo I had to play very softly. But I still used sticks rather than brushes. I also had to hit the bass drum very lightly and tap the cymbals softly so as not to drown out her piano.'

Lower down the page, on working with guitarist Lonnie Johnson as a duo:

'Then too, I had to play very softly and soothing, so as to let the guitar's sound protrude over the drum. I had to think all the time what to put in, and what not to put in. But it was a great experience and helped make me both versatile and light handed.

Even Gene Krupa couldn't see how I did it. He was playing at the Chicago Theater and he came over and said to me, "Well, Baby, I heard about this but I didn't believe it. I came to see it. I don't see how you do it. Don't you use brushes?" I told him, no indeed, when you have to do something, you just learn how to do it and that is all there is to that. And he would stand there and look at me and just shake his head.'

On recording with Jelly Roll in a trio situation:

'He just wanted to feel us, not to hear us. Because he wanted the drum so very soft I used brushes on Mr Jelly Lord. I didn't like brushes at any time but asked him if he wanted me to use them and he said "Yes" So I played the whole number with brushes instead of sticks…On the Wolverine Blues I decided to try using my Chinese tom-tom. I figured it would change the beat yet still sound good, and Jelly left it in the record.'

And finally, talking about the drum solos he recorded in 1946:

'I played them just as I would have with a band but on Careless Love I used brushes just to see what it would sound like all alone.'

I have the recordings Dodds refers to, and I'd never have guessed that he used brushes on Careless Love. Sounds just like sticks: if using brushes, he must have played fast singles for the rolls.

Going back to Morton, this extract is interesting:

'The trio idea was Jelly's and it was something new for records. It was through this trio of Jelly, John and I that a lot of people got the idea and jazz trios became a popular thing.'

Then, as now, brushes were used for more intimate situations. The fact that they're absent from recordings during much of the 20s was probably to do with: brushes being inappropriate for the size of the ensemble being recorded; whether the band leader cared for the sound; whether the drummer was comfortable using them.

The 1923 date Dodds gives, suggests that Oliver purchased a pair of Ludwig's 'Jazz-Sticks' or something similar. Perhaps Oliver had previously jammed/performed with/seen a drummer who'd used fly-swats, which had given him the idea.

One thing that caught my attention in the book is a paragraph about when he met William Ludwig, during a trip by the drum manufacturer to St. Louis. Dodds was working on a steamboat and Ludwig quizzed him about his habit of using his left-foot to stomp out time. He took measurements of Dodds foot and, later, got back to the drummer with a prototype sock-cymbal. Dodds didn't care for it and declined the offer to endorse the product.

What this shows is that Ludwig, as the early ad for their brushes suggests, had their finger on the pulse and weren't only following the local Chicago jazz-scene. The whole jazz explosion happened in the decade prior to the 20s. Rag time and blues music wasn't the preserve of New Orleans, and not all musicians stemming from New Orleans set off for Chicago. Many toured and spread their influence, so different 'schools' grew up around the US. So, perhaps the whole 'jazz-brush' phenomenon - on which Ludwig were so clearly cashing-in - developed outside of Chicago. Gershwin was from Brooklyn and the Paul Whiteman Orchestra operated from New York in the 20s. The West Coast is also another possibility. And then, of course, there's good old New Orleans.

I still have a little more reading to do to, but I don't think we'll ever get to the bottom of this. Perhaps the mural at Minton's gives us the answer: at an informal jam someone picked up a fly-swat to beat out time and later tried it out on their kit. Whatever, at some point in history a drummer walked purposefully over to their snare drum, swat in hand, with experimentation on their mind. To that unknown-soldier of the brushes, we salute you. To paraphrase Neil Armstrong, that was one small step for a man; one giant sweep for drummer-kind…

TAXI!

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Posted on 14 years ago
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For those that aren't that keen on early jazz, here's an album that features Dodds playing with Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee:

[ame=http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001ILJJ5C/ref=sr_1_album_2_rd?ie=UTF8&child=B001ILLLV2&qid=1260694143&sr=1-2]Link[/ame]

Brushes on the following tracks:

Screamin' And Cryin' Blues

Harmonica Rag

Beer Garden Blues

Worried Man Blues

[Edit] free listen here:

http://www.last.fm/music/Sonny+Terry/_/Beer+Garden+Blues

http://www.last.fm/music/Sonny+Terry/_/Harmonica+Rag

http://www.last.fm/music/Sonny+Terry/_/Worried+Man+Blues

http://www.last.fm/music/Sonny+Terry/_/Screamin'+And+Cryin'+Blues?autostart

http://www.last.fm/music/Sonny+Terry/_/All+Alone+Blues?autostart

Whole album here:

http://www.last.fm/music/Sonny+Terry/Whoopin'+The+Blues%3A++the+Capitol+Recordings%2C+1947+-+1950

Those same, simple patterns that developed during the red-hot jazz era dominated the 30s and and ran parallel with what the boppers were doing in the 40s. The post-war styles of jump and R&B continued the tradition, whereas the be-bop drummers seem to have opted for the pattern we all learn today - probably derived from Jo Jones.

And finally, I came across a vid today containing a brief clip of Baby Dodds at the drums. He rolled with his right hand and kept time with his left. So, he probably swept with his right, too (and was just heavy handed). The brush playing on the Sonny Terry sides seems to be lighter, so at some point he must have put a little work into his technique.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Gerry – Nice stuff about those early recordings. Bravo! I think the letter from Ludwig Jr. may, at least, answer your question as posed in your original post’s title. When he mentions that they were “”Fly Killers”. I have this patent in my files.” he says. It appears then that the first of this kind, closing slide etc., were the first of their kind “commercially available” but for swatting flies and drummers grabbed on to these (that is why I mentioned “Hardware Stores” in my earlier post).

Know what I find interesting is that the Ludwig company offered these at least in 1923, and when Jr. mentions the Fly Swat patent he doesn’t mention the company’s own patent (where is it, if it exists?). So in America the Ludwig Co. either licensed the original design from the Fly Swat inventors directly, or would have had to invent a somewhat newer version that would not infringe on the patent of the Fly Swat. A copy of the license might exist and may shed a light on an earlier “drum company” date.

Now I start to wonder. Did the Ludwig Co. just order the Fly Swats from the Swat company and put the Ludwig name on it? If no license shows up, Ludwig may have just resold the Fly Swatters.

“In fact your pedal extremities are a bit obnoxious”. – Fats Waller
Posted on 14 years ago
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Know what I find interesting is that the Ludwig company offered these at least in 1923, and when Jr. mentions the Fly Swat patent he doesn’t mention the company’s own patent (where is it, if it exists?). So in America the Ludwig Co. either licensed the original design from the Fly Swat inventors directly, or would have had to invent a somewhat newer version that would not infringe on the patent of the Fly Swat. A copy of the license might exist and may shed a light on an earlier “drum company” date.

510, in the advert David linked to it says 'Pat Pending'. I doubt it was ever granted as the retractable fly-swatter was already in existence. In the earlier patents I dug up, the text explains why they were different from similar fly-swats on the market; which, presumably, were 'public domain' (had been in existence for years, so nobody could take out a patent on them). What was so different about Ludwig's product, though? Sticking a ball on the end and coating the handle in rubber? The internal mechanism was probably the same, or at least very similar, so perhaps the patent office sent Ludwig packing.

Now I start to wonder. Did the Ludwig Co. just order the Fly Swats from the Swat company and put the Ludwig name on it? If no license shows up, Ludwig may have just resold the Fly Swatters.

That's my thinking: why retool/buy new machinery to make something that may not make money? They obviously tinkered with the design, but I think they must have subcontracted out to a specialist manufacturer.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From Gerry

That's my thinking: why retool/buy new machinery to make something that may not make money? They obviously tinkered with the design, but I think they must have subcontracted out to a specialist manufacturer.

Yeah, That’s my reasoning too.

Drum companies were already purchasing stuff from Walberg & Auge and putting their stamp on it. If so, why not contract with the Fly Swat folks for manufacture (and or license). The different kind of slider with the ball on it could probably have been patented, and your right that would take new tooling. They show in the ad just how their new ball end works so, that may mean they had some concerns and wanted to make sure everyone noticed the difference their "new" brush had (pat. pending).

Maybe the Fly Swat folks didn’t produce there swatters to long and had no interest so that left a void for drummers trying to buy new brushes so Ludwig jumped in. Anyway this has been interesting. Thank You!!!

“In fact your pedal extremities are a bit obnoxious”. – Fats Waller
Posted on 14 years ago
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