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Finish a natural Gretsch tom in rosewood...

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Hi All,

Long time lurker, not much of a poster. I'm a 50's 3 ply WMP Gretsch guy, helping his brother out who's an 80's Rosewood Gretsch guy.

I want to stain and finish a natural finish 10 Gretsch tom in Rosewood.

I know it's really not cool to mess with the originality of a drum but I've been looking for a 9x10 in rosewood for him for years and have had no luck. This is the route he wants to take.

Can you suggest a place to get materials that will match the Gretsch Rosewood as closely as possible, as well as detail as specifically as you can the workflow involved?

I've rewrapped my share of drums but have never done any staining or natural finish work.

Thanks - John

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Muchas gracias - El Stinko
Posted on 13 years ago
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Guess I'll take one of the rosewood drums into a custom furniture maker and have some stain mixed to try to get as close to a match as possible. Has no one had experience with this?

Muchas gracias - El Stinko
Posted on 13 years ago
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From JFBL

Guess I'll take one of the rosewood drums into a custom furniture maker and have some stain mixed to try to get as close to a match as possible. Has no one had experience with this?

Not much help, I know but, it is my understanding that because of the nitrocellulose lacquer used on period Gretsch, there are toxicity issues that put this outside the domain of home refinishers (me anyway).

I don't know if I have seen any refinished Gretsch.

Patrick

Posted on 13 years ago
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That finish doesn`t look like rosewood to me,..are you sure it`s not a finish that Gretch is not just call`n rosewood ??

Rosewood is DARK and OILY !! Finishes don`t take well to rosewood. You may be able to go to a paint store and have them match the stain from the computer color match machine. I had nothing but success with the one I use !!

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 13 years ago
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Oddball,

The finish is called Rosewood, the drum is the usual Gretsch layup with a maple exterior veneer. As with the Gretsch Walnut etc.

So you won't see the usual grain and oil characteristics of a piece of rosewood, cause it aint.

Hope that helps,

Patrick

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Thank you boys, I'm still listening...

Muchas gracias - El Stinko
Posted on 13 years ago
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Here`s what I`d do if I were gonna try it.

Completely remove the finnish on the natural one with water based finnish stripper, I use a product called 5F5 availible at paint supply stores.

Completely sandseal it four times with 12 hours or more in between coasts.

Let that cure for two days.

While doing the first step, use time in between to get a computer match for the red colored stain, most paint supplyers have one.

Sand the sandsealed drum with 1600 grit sandpaper to get a scorned on type sheen to the surface. (takes a long time and don`t change the sandpaper often)

Apply the red stain on in one even coat.

While still wet, I`d take my finger and useing the photo,...swirl into the wet stain the pattern of light and dark spots, wipe`n it off my fingers with a rag so it don`t cause the stain to run. Let that dry for 12 or more hours.

Next I would soak a rag in FLAT black paint, with gloves on, ring it out super well and even spin it to get it damp dry. Then I would wipe on the black in areas here and there to try and copy the pattern on the other drum. Nothing real dark, just try`n to shadow. A soot like look.

Let that dry for 12 or more hours.

If you`re happy with it,..hang the drum from a round object larger than the drum with the hole in the middle and line going through the middle of the drum so nothing is in the way of spraying on the clear coats. Spray`n is an art,..keep the sprayer away from the drum and always moveing. NEVER EVA put alot on in one coat. Your first coat should look like sh*t and have alot of dull and missed spots. Your second coat looks a little better and so on. By the time you reach ten coats, it will look great.

Practice on scrap wood to do the stainning and clear coating first,..make your mistakes there and not on the drum !!

I have convidence in you takeing your time and not being afraid to try it !!

If all else fails,...use the rest of the 5F5 and start over !! You won`t gain expierience by not doing.

It`s a drum,.....Hit It !!

.....76/#XK9207 Phonic Sound Machine D454/D-505 snares !i
Posted on 13 years ago
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Thanks for all details Oddball, great advice man and I appreciate you taking the time to write that post. The natural drum is en route and I'm going to take my time through this. I broke down and bought one of the grommet installation tools on eBay. I've reinstalled badges and grommets without them, but am convinced it will do a cleaner job. The adventure continues!

Muchas gracias - El Stinko
Posted on 13 years ago
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Hello All,

FNG making a first post here. Logged on looking for this exact problem! I am putting together a late 70's Gretsch kit in walnut. I have a 14 x 22, 9x 13, and 16 x 16, been looking for an 8 x 12. It has been near impossible to find, with nothing on any orphan sale sites, and one on Ebay taking off to $600. How did this natural conversion come out for you? I have located a natural finish 8 x 12, and want to refinish to walnut. Good advice above, any other suggestions? Thanks - enjoyed reading the info.

Strato207
Posted on 13 years ago
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So, after a lot of consideration, I decided to work with a pro to match the lacquer and finish. I can rewrap with the best of them but came to realize the job was a bit beyond me - colour matching and quality of lacquer can be tough. I prepped the drum and then took it to Seppo at TRS Custom Drums in Toronto to stain, colour match and lacquer it. He does all the custom work for Gretsch in Canada and is an amazing dude. The first pics came back this week. Looks awesome actually.

[img]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5230/5641245695_fa26991b56.jpg[/img]

Muchas gracias - El Stinko
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