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Favourite era for Ludwig shells

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Hi all,

I played a Ludwig Hollywood kit at my high school that sounded just amazing - the quintessential Ludwig sound. I'm pretty sure the kit was built in the late 60s / early 70's. I'm now researching buying a kit.

I THINK I'm most interested in the 68 and slightly newer shells at this point, I like a bit more focus in the sound but I'm trying to decide what years I'm going to target - but would love to hear from you Ludwig experts. I've heard good things about 58 - 61, mixed things about mid-60s, mostly good things about late 60s - mid 70s.

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[*]Please share - what shell eras are your favorites and why?

[*]Does anyone one know how long the 68 magic period lasted, like a year range?

[*]The production boom post Ringo that effected quality control - how long did that last?

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Thanks - J

[SIZE="3"][SIZE="1"]According to the Ludwig shell guide: "Beginning in September / October 1968; most shells were made with 3-ply Maple / Poplar / Maple."

"Change back to natural finish interior except for the Standard series which changed directly from white paint to granitone."[/SIZE][/SIZE]

Muchas gracias - El Stinko
Posted on 5 years ago
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I'm my experience and at at this point it depends on the particular kit. So many of them could have a shell that has bad edges or is tough to fit heads because of the lap joint.

My favorite sounding are the mahogany shells. I like the lower tones.

But for a Hollywood kit earlier that 1965 will usually have two 12" Tom's.

I do like the clear maple interiors on the 1968 and later kits. And the curved Spurs work better.

To me the quality issues were mainly in 1965, maybe into '66.

I've had three 67 kits and they are my sweet spot. keystone, white interiors, gull wing spurs, baseball bat mufflers, eyebolt tom brackets.

I like Drums...
1963 Ludwig Downbeat Champagne Sparkle
1964 Leedy (Slingerland) Blue n Silver Duco
1964 Ludwig Club Date Sparkling Silver Pearl
1966 Ludwig Super Classic Sparkling Silver Pearl
1968 Gretsch round badge modern jazz orange stain
1972 Slingerland 85N Pop outfit Light Blue Pearl
1976 Ludwig Vistalite clear
1981 Gretsch SSB Gran Prix Rosewood
1987 Yamaha Turbo Tour Custom Mellow Yellow
1991 Pearl Export Ferrari Red
Posted on 5 years ago
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I’d say any white interior shells , is the way to go , that music grade Mahagonny make it nice !

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 5 years ago
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I'm no Ludwig expert, by any means, but love 1965-66 . I do have a oyster black pearl set and a oyster blue pearl set from this era and find they have a warm, booming tone.....I am speaking to Super Classic sizes of 22/16/13.

IMHO, with respect to quality control, I think it is a hit-and-miss scenario, some drums are fine and some may have suffered with quality control. Mine seems to have been well built and stood the test of time.

I can't speak to earlier or later eras as I have never had or played them.

Best of luck with your search!

Posted on 5 years ago
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I like the bare mahogany interior shells from the mid 50's up to 1962 or so. Drums were a smaller business prior to 1964 and they weren't in such a hurry to get stuff out the door.

Posted on 5 years ago
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1969 clear, unvarnished 3-ply...wrap no longer tucked into the scarf joint...ever so slightly undersized.

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Posted on 5 years ago
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For me, I'm a huge fan of the mid/late 50s, WFL sets with the bare mahogany interiors; 3 ply shells. To me, they just have that warm vintage sound.

My second favorites are the same as yours; the late 60s into early 70s 3ply maple shells. They sound great!

Of course, there's nothing wrong with the early and mids 60s shells either.

So to rank:

1. WFL shells and Trans badge kits

2. Late 60s to early 70s shells (clear maple interior)

3. Early and mid 60s shells (white painted interior)

-Justin

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"After silence, that which comes closest to expressing the inexpressible is music..." - Aldous Huxley
Posted on 5 years ago
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It's a pet peeve of mine whenever anyone refers to any Ludwig 3 ply shell as a "maple" shell as all 3 ply Ludwig shell layups were at least 50% poplar (the fat center ply). Even the late 60's to early 70's clear interior, so called, "maple" shells usually had a mahogany outer ply if they were wrapped so those are only approx. 25% maple, or 50% maple at best if both inner and outer plies happened to be maple.

They do sound great, but they are far from being an all maple shell like folks think of today.

Posted on 5 years ago
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From K.O.

It's a pet peeve of mine whenever anyone refers to any Ludwig 3 ply shell as a "maple" shell as all 3 ply Ludwig shell layups were at least 50% poplar (the fat center ply). Even the late 60's to early 70's clear interior, so called, "maple" shells usually had a mahogany outer ply if they were wrapped so those are only approx. 25% maple, or 50% maple at best if both inner and outer plies happened to be maple.They do sound great, but they are far from being an all maple shell like folks think of today.

The odd thig is that Ludwig shells were never 3ply and they were never wrapped. The laminate outer finish was applied while the sheet was flat, then the finished section was rolled and secured with a scarf joint. After the re-rings were installed it was trimmed and edged into a finished shell. Consequently, the shells were 4 ply construction when you include the finish laminate. Also they were not wrapped, since that would be a process that would have occurred after the shell was constructed.

Ludwig was the only drummaker to use this method and it makes their scarfed shells unique.

Posted on 5 years ago
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But the 3 ply shells introduced in mid '68 and later did not have the wrap tucked into the scarf joint. They were wrapped after the shell was constructed.

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