I also have better experience with flat bed snare stands than basket ones. Makes a big difference. I found further improvement when I glued thick pieces of cymbal-felt to the rubber of the snare stand (making a soft "bed"for the rim of the drum).
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Regarding this business of the details of the effect of stands on the drum, is this happening because the shells are so thin? Seems the reinforcing ring would counter that if the drum is simply sitting in a basket or is it because the basket arms are against the shell and restraining the shell from vibrating? Very curious case here.
Is this "dead" sound what you hear behind the kit?
If so, try having someone else play and stand back 10-20 feet. Maybe they are still singing, but due to the rug, it just sounds dead behind the kit.
Isolation mounts always help the sound. Never been a fan of the tom basket for reasons stated.
Good luck!
1965 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Blue
1966 Ludwig Clubdate Oyster Black
1969 Ludwig BB Blue Oyster Keystone Clubdate
1971 Ludwig BB Black Oyster
Early 60's Camco Oaklawns Champagne Sparkle
Try the old Tommy Wells trick of putting surgical tubing over the ends of your snare stand basket and +1 on the floor tom feet, which I believe were initially invented by Tommy too. Straight legged floor tom legs usually choke by nature of their design.
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
Odds & Sods
Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
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I have these and they're awesome, and work extremely well..
They're called , of all things, "Booty Shakers"..
Lots of great ideas here.
Dan Boucher: I have a new set of classic maples. The ride is mounted to the bass drum. It's only slightly deadened. The floor tom rings on for days. Perhaps it's the straight legs on the old floor tom that stifles it. Also I should try a consolette mount for the ride.
I'll try the other perspective. Maybe it's my POV that makes it sound so bad.
Is it the same hard surface only with the rug pulled back? Is the rug on a hollow wooden floor? Get some of the silly looking floor tom feet pictured. They look silly but they work full-on magic.Experiment with the snare stand, which way it tilts for example [arm centered at badge or two arms either side of badge]. Tuning is key of course...Lots of variables, try em all. And do it like they do at the stock car track; one change at a time and make a note.Mitch
I use those Pearl floor tom feet on my Mapex floor toms. Just for fun I put some on my Club Date floor tom to see what difference they would make. The drum rings about two seconds longer with the cushioned feet.
1971 Ludwig Rock Duo set in Blue Oyster Pearl
early Mapex dual bass drum Saturn kit
1964 Leedy Ray Mosca kit in Blue Sparkle
1959 Slingerland Super Gene Krupa snare in WMP
1968 Slingerland Hollywood Ace Snare Drum
1969 and 1977 Ludwig 400 Supraphonic snares
1965 Acrolite snare
Ludwig Coliseum snare
'68 Rogers Dynasonic snare
Pearl free floating piccolo snare
13" Mapex piccolo snare
6.5" deep Mapex steel snare
Mapex 6.5" Brass snare
I know there's more snares than that.
UFIP cymbals / Avedis Zildjians
Ghost pedals or Tama King Beats
you kids get off my lawn
I have used a "Snare Stand" mounted tom for years with many kits.. For me it has never restricted the resonance of the tom.. In fact with my current set up it has opened the sound noticeably from the standard Slingerland BD mount. I am yet to hear complaints of a snare stand choking a snare drum, so fail to see how the effect is any different with a Tom.. The ISO mounts work, as do the ISO feet, so as Mitch says just work your way down the list..
Shag pile rugs tend to kill off volume and tone (but usually just from the drummers perspective).. So maybe a drum rug would help.. and I'd put fixing up those "warped hoops" high on the list of things to do..
Cheers John
'69 Slingerland Hollywood Ace
'75 Rogers Dynasonic 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'77-78 Slingerland 6.5 x 14, 10 lug COB
'78-79 Slingerland 5 1/4 x14 8 lug COB
'79 Biman 5 1/4, Acrolite
'82 Slingerland 5 1/4 x 14. Festival COS
'84 Tama MasterCraft Superstar 6.5 x 14, 10 lug Rosewood
'98 Slingerland (Music YO) 6" 10 Lug Maple.. NOS
Zildjian, Sabian , UFIP & Paiste mix.
Human 71.....I've seen an add for these 'booty shakers', - do these things actually make a snare drum sound more resonant? I must admit it seems a bit far fetched? Do they work?
Human 71.....I've seen an add for these 'booty shakers', - do these things actually make a snare drum sound more resonant? I must admit it seems a bit far fetched? Do they work?
I haven't tried the 'Booty Shakers' but I'm going to say that they work - I did a dodgy homemade version on an old snare stand by gluing some foam squares where the Tom hoop rests in the basket - my 13" had about the same improvement in mids,
Lows and note length as my floor did when I fitted those pearl ISO feet. Huge improvement.
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