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Drum snobbery!

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From 4MoreYearsOhNo

A little historical perspective here. Drums weren't invented in the US - they were invented by cavemen more than 10000 years as seen in Paleolithic cave art. Drums that were light enough to be portable were made in Iraq at least 5000 years ago. Metal bronze drums were made in China and Vietnam 2500 years ago. Japan has temple drums more than 1000 years old. Timpani were made in the Middle East 800 years ago. Snare drums were made in Europe 700 years ago.The modern "trap set" was largely developed in the US, but that is not because the US is "better" than anyone else - it's because Jazz was invented here. And even then there was lots of input from other countries and cultures - Ludwig's metal drums were based on a Sonor company drum (then called Weissenfels). African drumming certainly played a huge part. And let's not forget Turkish cymbals.Don't get me wrong - I love old American drums and I have more than my share of them. And I think it's great that anyone in any country should want to buy NEW stuff made in their own country. Everyone should want to see their own family and friends employeed and productive - no matter what country they are from. So in a perfect world everyone in the world should try (when buying new) to buy from their own country.My view is that cheap oil and globalization is the villain here, and not Japanese, or Chinese, or German drums or countries. As long as it is cheaper to make anything in the lowest wage country and burn petroleum to ship it across the ocean, there will be this tension caused by displacement of jobs. Better to protest at the G7 conference than to protest at Pearl or Tama.But USED drums (and other things) are different. Buy what you want - it isn't helping or hurting anyone or country other than the person you're buying them from. And since this is in the Vintage Non-USA section; well if your boat is floated by Vintage Non-USA drums, then I say GO FOR IT.

Well Native Americans have lived on this turrle Island for way over 10,000 years they were the first drums i ever heard and they are among the best i have ever heard , i begrudge no one to buy what they like i have played American Rogers drums for the better part of 45 years they worked then and they work now.. i just look at what Yamaha has done to the Rogers line to prove my point again trying to make bucks from something they had no hand in making.. now i have said enuff i rest my case to each his or her own no problemo.. :)

Posted on 14 years ago
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Great responses...thankyou.

Hit like you mean it!!
Posted on 14 years ago
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Talk about taking a thread on a ride for a tangent. This thread began with a post about a guy who likes MIJ drums and was happy there are people HERE who do to. I think some people need to keep it over in the "Made in USA drums" section unless they can be a bit more open-minded. I like all kinds of drums and cymbals- they each have there own goods and bads. Let`s leave the "Non-USA drums" section to people who think it should exist.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Best truck I ever owned is my 07 Tundra. It was made in Texas. I traded an 04 Ram in that was a piece of garbage. It was made in Mexico. What exactly qualifies something to be American made anymore??? I am confused.

have a wonderful evening

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"If it doesn't matter who wins or loses then why the hell do they keep score Peg? - Al Bundy
Posted on 14 years ago
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The new cars these days are so good they don't even need servicing for the lifetime of the vehicle. Say goodbye to servicing your car- how great. Its amazing that technology has developped the car to this point. Its just that "the lifetime of the vehicle" is now defined as only three years.

Cooked Egg

Posted on 14 years ago
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I can't wait for the made in India stuff! And maybe after that made in Africa. Not sure if we will be around to find out. Sumo Dude

BTW, I have always been a MIJ guy having owned several versions of Tama sets over the years snd only

recently been converted to MIUSA drums. I always thought the stuff made here wasn't modern enough and succumbed to the MIJ marketing of the 80's and bought Tama products. Plus our schools always

had Ludwig stuff and everyone always made fun of it. Tama Superstar kit I had was the best set of drums I have ever owned, my newer Granstar Customs just never seemed the same.

Found it!!
Posted on 14 years ago
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Pheeewww..... This thread has been quite the ride (though I haven't read it all)

My 2ยข yen yuan etc.

I have a growing affection toward these MIJ drums for the following reasons:

1. I'm a spaced out novice who doesn't know any better

2. My Dixie MIJ snare was freeeeeeee

3. My new 16" (x 14") U.S. Mercury floor tom (yes, MIJ) cost $15

4. Despite all of the pros & cons of these OLD MIJ drums, they are cool

and AFFORDABLE.

5. Since we're dealing with Vintage drums here on this site, it's

doubtful that American jobs (and product) were suffering too much

back in the 50s/'60s because of Asian manufacturing - cheep or otherwise.

To lean politically incorrect for a moment; while I deplore killing elephants for ivory piano keys, I still like my 1920s Mehlin & Sons baby grand piano - perhaps the poor jumbo's ghost is happy, in the wake of his demise, that someone is creating some beauty out of his ruin 80+ years ago.

The MIJ that we enjoy here were made long ago, not really costing american jobs, but making alot of 1950s/'60s kids able to start drumming.

I got both of my MIJ drums here in the USA, from Americans. While I strongly agree that, as a country, we need to support our own economy by buying American, we also need to somehow up our quality to be worthy of our often too high prices, as well as to make affordable quality products.

I wonder what make of drums Japanese kids are growing up with today, do they say Made In USA on them? Can we provide them with a decent starter kit that competes w/ their modern MIJ kits? Hmmmm

I once heard that the largest export from America is garbage!?!?!?! I don't know if that's still the case, but I'm glad to have been able to recycle someone else's MIJ drums that were to be thrown in the crusher. Yes Sir

...but when he played on his drum, he made the stars explode....
Posted on 14 years ago
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From EricP

I can't wait for the made in India stuff! And maybe after that made in Africa...

I can hardly wait - new Gretsch sets with double floor toms and 6 mounted toms for $99

Or maybe disposable sets, you buy them in packs of six at Costco, do the gig and just leave them.

Posted on 14 years ago
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The only drums I don't like are the ones that don't go bam-bam-bam--- boom-boom-boom--- tada---da---da--da--da

Posted on 14 years ago
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Disposable kits. Man. That is a great idea! You know how all us drummers hate packing up all of our crap at the end of the nightViolin...just leave it and bring a new one to the next show! Only problem is the van might be a little cramped on anything longer than a weekend outing!

Now that I think of it...didn't Slingerland try that for a bit in the 80's with the cardboard shells?

Thanks, and glad to see there can be constructive argument/conversations on here without people getting nasty!

-Adam

PS Dunnett makes outstanding sounding drums. End of story.

Posted on 14 years ago
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