We rarely get super specific questions like this and I think it would reguire

someone who has a healthy stash of drums to narrow that down.

I have seen different configurations before also.

In regarding the p-83 strainer difference are we talking the same year and do both drums have the same amount of lugs?

I cleared out my Ludwig snares so I can't really help with the different washers etc..

David

Interesting! I have no idea what the answer is!

The left P83 comes from a 10 lug '69 Supra, the right one from an 8 lug marching drum of wich I don't now its date.

Strange thing is that when mounting the strainer onto the shell the number of the screw's threads visible comming out of the washers and hexagonal nut is one thread more on the lower screw as on the upper screw, altough they are the same in length and the washers having the same thickness. They are tightened with the same presure.

Someone having experienced this too?

I think in general everything mentioned is just the way it is. That is how they built drums. They are not up to the current exacting science that has come into the drum building business.

You will find all kinds of differences and discrepencies from one drum to the next. Many companies just did what they had to and used parts as they came in from suppliers. If the supplier changed then they just went with it and things were changed.

We have many examples of drums that should not be, or should not have been or supposedly never existed. I think many collectors look over the finer details and just want a drum in great shape with no extra holes!

It is well documented that drum badges were not used systematically and if they had parts they would use them up to clear out inventory. Old parts were kept on hand for special order and repairs and eventually used years later to clear out inventory.

So I think many of us including myself overlook most of the minute issues and chalk it up to the manufacturing process of the time.

In regards to the thread issue, it would be something that I would never even consider or document. I don't think there is an answer other then it is just they way they built drums.

With that said, I'm not saying they were low quality, in fact they were built well with quality materials, it just was not cost affective to pour extra labor into making them each perfect.

Hope that helps

David

Sorry, I forgot to answer about the strainer.

What it looks like to me is since the Supra is a ten lugger if the strainer was closer to the shell would it have more of a chance to hit a lug?

On the 8 lug marching snare it has plenty of room so it could be mounted closer to the shell.

They probably had two versions for that reason. I bet they did not follow any specific pattern and employees just grabbed what was at hand or in inventory.

I had a few in my collection, but do not have them any more. It would take a systematic documentation of many drums to draw any specific answer.

Then again maybe some Ludwig expert might have the answer.

David

Thanks for your explanation.

Yes indeed, when mounted on a Supra, the lever hits the lug when dropped.

Koen

I know this is an old post, but the reason for the different depths wasn't to clear adjacent lugs, but to clear the center bead on the metal supraphonic drums vs. wood shelled drums. Jazz Festivals, Pioneers, and Marching drums used one type, the deeper one was used on the supraphonics and acrolites.

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Where is the bottom threaded bead on these P83 strainers?