The medium crashes have quite a vintage Moon-esque sound. They probably haven't changed in 40 years!!! Medium crashes are crashes that you can ride a little on.
Don't neglect to try the Giant Beat cymbals, as they really evoke a vintage crash ride sound that was very, very much Moon.
The medium crashes have quite a vintage Moon-esque sound. They probably haven't changed in 40 years!!! Medium crashes are crashes that you can ride a little on.Don't neglect to try the Giant Beat cymbals, as they really evoke a vintage crash ride sound that was very, very much Moon.
Yeah, perhaps i'll get a 24 giant beat. IT sounds exactly like the crash on Tommy. I don't think he used a 24 live ever though.
Definitely getting an 18 and 20 medium crash though.
I love them! It's like *THE* ultimate cymbal!!!
I can't explain the sound. Listening to a Sabian B8 compared to the 2002s is like listening to a 128 MP3 vs a WAV or FLAC CD Audio. The difference is like HUGE
It's how the cymbals were hammered and lathed. There are people who rework Sabian B8's to sound quite nice. Paiste does quite a few of their steps by hand.
Yeah- you really don't know what was used in the studio on any given recording. This is mainly due to what was on hand, or what the artist, producer or sound engineer wanted out of a given recording.
Also remember- Giant Beats were the pre-cursor to the 2K2, made from the same alloy (I do believe). Giant Beats and 2K2's were cymbals made for modern amplified music.
Forgive, but I will have to pee on this assessment (just a sprinkle). SOME of the older Paiste cymbals are just a tad thinner than the later ones. When they would restructure a cymbal line, the designation would sometimes change ... even though it was the same cymbal. I have had several 18, 19, and 20 inch crashes throughout the years and they were not all the same weight and thickness ... the variable being time point of manufacture. The older ones were just a bit thinner (lighter) than the later ones. The designations floated a bit within the 2002 line.
There are those that will staunchly deny or refute this (some can be downright rude), but it did happen from time to time. It goes against the "Master Cymbal" concept, but they adapted ever so slightly to the changing music trends. They kept it in the very high 90's, but they were not 100% across the board ... nor should we expect them to be.
Forgive, but I will have to pee on this assessment (just a sprinkle). SOME of the older Paiste cymbals are just a tad thinner than the later ones. When they would restructure a cymbal line, the designation would sometimes change ... even though it was the same cymbal. I have had several 18, 19, and 20 inch crashes throughout the years and they were not all the same weight and thickness ... the variable being time point of manufacture. The older ones were just a bit thinner (lighter) than the later ones. The designations floated a bit within the 2002 line. There are those that will staunchly deny or refute this (some can be downright rude), but it did happen from time to time. It goes against the "Master Cymbal" concept, but they adapted ever so slightly to the changing music trends. They kept it in the very high 90's, but they were not 100% across the board ... nor should we expect them to be.
Of course they were a teeny bit thinner. I also don't think that many people would like the cymbals at the vintage weight, particularly young players. But we're talking small differences here, not huge, life-changing differences.
Unless someone is going for dead-on accuracy for a replica kit, I see no reason for the added expense of vintage black label 2K2's.
Of course they were a teeny bit thinner. I also don't think that many people would like the cymbals at the vintage weight, particularly young players. But we're talking small differences here, not huge, life-changing differences. Unless someone is going for dead-on accuracy for a replica kit, I see no reason for the added expense of vintage black label 2K2's.
AMEN!!! Well put.
Rog-
First of all- Thanks!!!!
Zillys vary LIKE CRAZY as far as weights go on the supposedly same type and diamater. And while Paistes do vary, they are pretty darned consistent compared to Zillys...
Don't get me started on that S- brand...
