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ddrum Reflex - Alder Wood

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Ok - I know that I may alienate some of you with this, but I just have to run this all by you all. I have a set of ddrum Dominions that are Maple - just beautiful. Well, I have not played these anymore than in 2 settings and the current setting (my basement) they are not sounding very good to me at all. The first locale was for recording and the acoustics were entirely different. Meanwhile, I have been playing on my Stencil MIJ for weeks now and have really gotten used to the warmth of those shells.

I am running Remo clear ambassadors on top and bottom of all toms, along with Studio Rings. This usually is a fail-safe way to go to make any drums sound good (tuning to the timbre pitch of the shell).

Another meanwhile.....about a year ago I was at the local GC and they had a ddrum Reflex kit for sale. So, I got to see one in person and play it. Oh My Goodness!!!!! The sound that came from those was as cuddly as a drunk puppy in front of a fireplace (not that I have tried this!) and I was just blown away at the warm naturally EQed tone that these produced - with no muffling at all. These are made of Red Alder - which have been used for years to make guitars. This is quite an innovation by ddrum, as (I think) a first in drum building.

What say you about these ddrums (Reflex). Does anyone have one of these OR have any of you played these before? This kit is about the only kit I would ever want that I don't already have. (Did I really just say that?).

I am considering selling these Anaheim Orange stained/lacquered ddrum Dominions (discontinued with die cast hoops) in order to acquire a Reflex. Am I crazy?

John

I had a great day! Instead of sleeping in and wasting the day, I got up at 8 and I had all my slacking done by noon!

2Timothy1:7
Posted on 11 years ago
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John,

You are right, the Reflex are pretty cool. I have sold a few of them at my store in Cincy. The toms are all nice and balanced, and like you said EQ themselves well. Great attack, and not overbearing.

I will say that the bass drum is a little tough. I talked with one of the product designers, and he said they will probably get away from the 22" deep bass drums next year. He is a vintage lover like the rest of us, and he has some truly amazing things on the horizon.

I can't imagine the alder drums staying around much longer, I think it is a little on the expensive side of material to use in drums. What color are you digging?

If you need any help getting one, I'm happy to help out, and even get one shipped to you.

[email]kschwallie@hotmail.com[/email] if I can help out!

-Kevin

1961 Ludwig Super Classic 22,13,16,18, WFL BR Snare WMP
1951-52 Slingerland Radio King Krupa Outfit 24,13,16 Champagne Sparkle
1960s/70s Polaris MIJ 20,12,16 Red Sparkle
2005 Gretsch Catalina Club WMP First Run
2008 Pearl Masters MCX 20,10,12,14f,16f & 14 Diamond Glitter
1999 Yamaha Stage Custom 22,10,12,14r,16f. Marina Green

...& many more...
Posted on 11 years ago
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That 20 inch depth is a bit too much IMHO. This is also the case with my Dominion. Did your contact reveal what would happen if somebody cut the BD down to maybe a 16-18 or so? I like a bit deeper, but 20 is overkill. 16 might do the trick.

I really like the Ice Sparkle....the lighter blue sparkle. That is classy! I could have gotton one of those instead of my Dominion, but the sales guy told me that the Dominion is simply a better quality kit. That may be true, but if it is not what you want, it does not matter what quality it is.

The verdict is still out on my Dominion. I need to play it in some different settings first and have some time with them. I could always try some other heads, but that gets expensive.

John

I had a great day! Instead of sleeping in and wasting the day, I got up at 8 and I had all my slacking done by noon!

2Timothy1:7
Posted on 11 years ago
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Alder is quite inexpensive, but does have a warm, well rounded tone. Much faster growing than Maple for sure, but I don't know if it is fast enough to be classified as a soft wood... Probably. I have never heard of "Red Alder", but maybe this is something from another country?

Fender used it (Alder) for decades (as well as swamp ash) for the Strat and tele bodies. I could not even guess what they might use now. I did a few customs in alder as well as late 50's replicas, but usually with a top of something harder.

It grows like a weed (literally) in wet areas of the North East.

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Red Ripple '70's Yamaha D-20 20b-12-14f
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Posted on 11 years ago
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Actually yes, we did discuss bass drums shallower shells. Obviously, the vintage 14" depth has a lot more attack than full tone (generally, and in comparison to new shells). They are going to do be doing some 15" depths I believe, and probably 16" 18", just depends on the lines.

The 20" depths are too deep and lose the vibration to quickly. There is too much to travel to actually get a good bounce off the resonant head. This is why there isn't a lot of ring full tone, just a lot of 'dead click', which is why a lot of rock guys really like the deep bass drums.

Cutting it down, redrilling, and adding an edge wouldn't be a bad idea, but it does cost money and a lot of time. Also, if you choose the wrong depth, you have to do it over (or stuck if you go too much). But, good call on the Blue Ice! That and the white bubble were our best sellers.

@ Jim You are correct, Fender used Swamp Ash and Alder in their American line of guitars. They still do Ash in their nicer American lines or signature models (if requested), they actually still use Alder in everything else (even their Mexican line now). Alder is abundant, but with it being 'Red Alder' I just assumed this wasn't the normal type of tree, and that there would be less of it, which is why I thought it may be expensive.

1961 Ludwig Super Classic 22,13,16,18, WFL BR Snare WMP
1951-52 Slingerland Radio King Krupa Outfit 24,13,16 Champagne Sparkle
1960s/70s Polaris MIJ 20,12,16 Red Sparkle
2005 Gretsch Catalina Club WMP First Run
2008 Pearl Masters MCX 20,10,12,14f,16f & 14 Diamond Glitter
1999 Yamaha Stage Custom 22,10,12,14r,16f. Marina Green

...& many more...
Posted on 11 years ago
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From nailfoxx

Alder is abundant, but with it being 'Red Alder' I just assumed this wasn't the normal type of tree, and that there would be less of it, which is why I thought it may be expensive.

I have no idea if that is the full name of the species of american Alder I know and love or if there really is some other wood called 'Red Alder'...

Bear in mind, it is a company you are dealing with, so perhaps it is a 'invented' term to make it sound more appealing?

In any event, I have seen and heard the Ddrum products and I like them- good quality and good sound for short money!

Cobalt Blue Yamaha Recording Custom 20b-22b-8-10-12-13-15-16f-18f
Red Ripple '70's Yamaha D-20 20b-12-14f
Piano Black Yamaha Recording Custom Be-Bop kit 18b-10-14f
Snares:
Yamaha COS SDM5; Yamaha Cobalt Blue RC 5-1/2x14; Gretsch round badge WMP; 1972 Ludwig Acrolite; 1978 Ludwig Super Sensitive; Cobalt Blue one-off Montineri; Yamaha Musashi 6.5X13 Oak; cheap 3.5X13 brass piccolo
Posted on 11 years ago
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