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Damaged Bearing Edge--Re-cutting Vintage Ludwigs

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Greetings,

I know that most of us cringe when we hear (or even think about) re-cutting bearing edges on any vintage drum, not just Ludwig, myself included.

I am working on some orphan Club Dates I acquired, and they were used single headed for years and years, and I acquired them single headed. Obviously, this is an all too familiar sight. The reso side bearing edge is pretty beat up. I am filling in the gouges with wood filler and I can give them a light sanding, but that's really all can do. I am going to send them to Precision so they can be re-cut...they are just too far gone to be useable at this point. I am going to have Precision mimic the exact edge that Ludwig used at the factory. So they will have the same edges as they have always had, just cleaner and, let's face it, it will be a better quality job.

How do you all feel about this? I don't want to alter the drums and make them "non-original", but if the edges just aren't useable because they are so beat up, what would you do? Again, I am having them re-cut to the exact shape/angle as the original factory edges. I definitely would not do a modern cut (like a double 45) on these vintage edges.

To me, if the bearing edge isn't quality and you can't get a good sound out of the drum because of that, then what's the point of even having them? I don't want a museum piece to hang on the wall, I want to play the **** out of them! The new edges will be like the factory edges, except better and more precise. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, because it keeps the spirit of the original alive and makes them sound that much better. Also, let's face it, have you ever heard anyone ever utter these words?:

"Man, look how smooth and perfect those factory bearing edges are on these vintage Keystone Ludwigs!"

Yeah, me neither!

Thanks for your thoughts,

V

Posted on 1 year ago
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Well, I feel like the drums have already been altered from years of being used single-headed. The vintage value is already compromised by that damage. Recutting the edges on damaged drums isn't really going to make much difference in the vintage value, but it will make them more playable.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 1 year ago
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From O-Lugs

Well, I feel like the drums have already been altered from years of being used single-headed. The vintage value is already compromised by that damage. Recutting the edges on damaged drums isn't really going to make much difference in the vintage value, but it will make them more playable.

My sentiments exactly! Get those edges re-cut by PDC, who will do an excellent job, and make your vintage drums sing!

-Mark

Posted on 1 year ago
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What's the point of keeping something original if you can't play it? I say recut the edges and enjoy them.

Posted on 1 year ago
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"I second that emotion!" My gigging kit is a born-together 1966 Ludwig and my at-home practice kit is a nearly-identical born-together 1968 kit. The bottom edges were worn from playing with the heads off and the top edges weren't that great to begin with, so I had them all re-cut (and the shells "trued") by Bentley's drum shop in Fresno, CA. I didn't care what angle the bearing edges were cut at - I just wanted them to sound as good as the drums were capable of. And I'm very happy! If some collector pooh-poohs the lack of original "round over" cuts, I don't care. Enjoy, mb

Posted on 1 year ago
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From LudwigGuy

What's the point of keeping something original if you can't play it? I say recut the edges and enjoy them.

Exactly. If the engine in your vintage sports car blew would you stop driving it because it would no longer be original if you got it repaired? No. You would get it fixed.

Just like a car is meant to be driven, a drum is meant to be played.

Posted on 1 year ago
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None of my Ludwig drums have the best bearing edges...but they are all in original condition and none are damaged. They just aren't perfect. I would never re-cut the edges on them. But, like I say, if they are already damaged from misuse, then I see no problem.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 1 year ago
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I've had two Ludwig toms re-edged by Precision. The original edges were bad in two ways: the drums rocked on granite, think wide gradual snare beds, and also smaller waves along the edge.

My view is, if you can get a good sound out of the drum and are satisfied with it, there's no need to re-cut. OTOH, if it's not working for you, don't feel bad about getting the edges cut by a reputable shop. I'm not in the camp of, "Vintage drums are sacred". It's an instrument, and it requires a good periodic PM. I also acknowledge there are exceptions for collectable pieces, so it's good to know exactly what you're dealing with.

Precision did an excellent job, keeping the edge geometry true to original, and have a good rep, so a good choice.

Posted on 1 year ago
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Thin Shell’s comparison is brilliant! Here’s a similar point: you own a 50’s strat. The frets are worn down to the point that the guitar is pretty much unplayable. Replace the frets, of course. No discussion about it.

Posted on 1 year ago
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If you want a 1967 Corvette, then buy one....but don't expect it to handle as well as almost any modern type of car -not even as well as a run-of-the-mill Honda Accord. It will handle like a car made in 1967 because that's how they made them back then.

When it comes to many vintage Ludwig (and other brands, too) drums, most collectors would want them to be as untouched as possible -as NOS as possible. But "problems" come up when we use current-day manufacturing standards and try to apply them to vintage drum manufacturing standards.

I have Ludwig drums that have the ORIGINAL, undamaged bearing edges....but there are also all the original lumps and bumps on them...and I'm almost certain they would not pass the granite table test.

Should I attempt to correct that originality in order to make the drums more playable? Or, should I just buy a modern drum set (or a modern facsimile of a vintage drum set that has perfect bearing edges? That is the question. The answer (for me) is to always keep things as original as possible even if there are defects in the workmanship -as long as those defects are original. The defects were part of the sign of the times back then.

If, however, the originality of the drums has been compromised AFTER the fact, by a former owner, then the factory-originality is already gone, anyway....in which case, it would make practical sense to fix the drums up and make them into a player's-grade, vintage kit.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 1 year ago
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