[COLOR="DarkRed"]Hmmm...wonder if you did a google image search maybe you could come up with more pics, at a better angle, of that particular kit ? You are right....it appears unusual (?)[/COLOR]

Here's a vid on youtube that has Buddy and Ed playing together. They are both using the same mount.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNhnioNNIPI[/ame]

mcjnic!...

Nah... you don't need Google... what you need is a RARE pic out of the Tommyp BR collection that shows this particular Ludwig mount to EXCELLENT advantage. Give me a few to get it scanned/posted... and you're right by the way, it appears to be a Ludwig Modular "protoype"... which very well may be what it is! Course, truth is, Buddy went through Ludwig sets during this endorsement period like eating roasted almonds!... one leads to another... and then another... and then... :-D Eventually he did play the standard Modular mount, and it's probably going to be easiest if you were to hunt that one down. They are out there! In the interim... I'll be back with a nice pic for you!!

Tommyp

I'm looking through the Ludwig parts cat and I believe I may be onto something. If you take the modular add-on single tom tom holder (LM-455-STH) and remove the boom ratchet parts from this and add the grooved ratchet piece (P-1767), you might have it. Does this make sense? I think it might be what we are looking at. It is not a standard Ludwig part, but I think it would work. Let me know what you think.

mcjnic!...

You very well may be onto something with what you discovered pertaining to the combination of Ludwig hardware... me being a Rogers guy, I wouldn't know. However!... perhaps these two pics from my collection will help solve the mystery of the "Modular Tom Mount" on Buddy's Ludwigs!

Tommyp

WOW!!! Outstanding pics! Dang, that's not what I came up with here. That picture shows a simple single arm modular mount. It's similar to what Pearl has come out with since. It's definitely Ludwig, but I can't see where it exists in the parts book. Any ideas on this? Is there a modular straight arm with that size ratchet on the end? The only ratchet that I know of that has the correct tooth pattern is the grooved arm. Am I missing something here?

mcjnic!...

Hello again... and please forgive me for using this LAME word for success: BINGO!!!! I do believe I have found what you seek. The more I looked at that tom arm/mount in the pics of BR, the more I said WHERE have I seen that before???!!! Then it hit me... take a good look at the tom arm... doesn't it look like the tilter portion of a 1980 Ludwig Hercules cymbal stand??!! So I dug out a Ludwig 1980 catalog... inside listed with the Hercules hardware is a part called the "Hercules Ratchet"... which will support any weight cymbal or drum with ease says Ludwig. It looks exactly like the tom arm in the pics I supplied. Do you have a 1980 catalog? Now... even if this is indeed the part you seek... the trick will be finding one!! Or...

Tommyp

Could that have been from the era when ludwig was going to a more beefy era? I bought a new ludwig kit in 1980 hoping to get that heavy duty hardware and after waiting for a couple months broke down and bought a kit off the floor that had the post with the L arms.

Yes!... absolutely when Ludwig migrated to much "beefier" hardware... and ... it is indeed the "Hercules Ratchet" as I have researched it even further. It was still available in the 1981 catalog, and there are some good shots in that catalog that show how this piece would have functioned for a tom arm/mount on Buddy's set. Ludwig shows this "arm" as being able to hold toms mounted on boom stands... so ... very easy business to utilize a single piece for a real clean looking tom arm!!... and that appears to be EXACTLY what he is using on this particular set.

Tommyp