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bop kit trivia

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So, I'm downstairs practicing...practicing....practicing and I'm thinking about the discussions I've been involved in regarding Jazzettes over the years....kinda laughing.... maniacally ...and I start remembering the reference I made regarding a premier C58 kit...

...and I realized there is some interesting trivial information that I discovered and needed to share.

1.) The Premier catalog for 1965 shows the "C58" bop kit displayed in "mahogany" finish, which, very interestingly also has 18 X 12 bass drum! It doesn't seem to indicate that in the ad, but the one I wanted to buy from Cherie Willoughby years ago definitely was an 18 X 12 bass drum. Please take note of the year -1965 [IMG] http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/premier_drumsets/1965-premier-catalog-3.jpg[/IMG]

2.) The Slingerland "Jet" kit was introduced in 1965, as well, and was eerily-similar to the bop kit Roy Haynes was using -except is used an 18 X 14 size shell. (Roy was reported to use a floor tom rim instead of a bass drum hoop, so that he could fit his kit into the sports car he was driving in those days without ripping the upholstery on a T-rod and Slingerland modeled the Jet after Roy's preferences....or so one version of the rumor goes.)[IMG]http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/slingerland_drum_sets/1967-slingerland-catalog5.jpg[/IMG]

3.) It wasn't until 1966, when Ludwig's 1967 catalog was printed, that the Jazzette appeared. Roy Haynes started playing Ludwig drums and he endorsed the Jazzette....which, as we all know by now, incorporates an 18 X 12 -just like its Premier predecessor. What particularly jumps out at me is not only the bass drum size, but the "mahogany" finishes. It's almost like the Jazzette was the younger, American cousin of the C58 right down to the display. [IMG]http://www.vintagedrumguide.com/images/ludwig_sets/jazzette/1967_LUDWIG_large.jpg[/IMG]

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Posted on 13 years ago
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Wow! I don't know why those images display so big after I post them. They aren't that big, initially. Anyway....trivia!

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Posted on 13 years ago
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very nice i like the look shows well good to know funny the things we think about while practicing

April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 13 years ago
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Ludwig undercut Slingerland's Jet kit by $100 which meant that one could use the savings to purchase some cymbals -which they just so happen to conveniently offer right there with the drums -which must have made it a lot easier for first-time drum buyers. Plus, Ludwig's SpeedKing pedal and their hi-hat seemed a little better-constructed with metal linkages instead of leather straps which tended to stretch...plus, Bill Ludwig got Haynes to endorse the kit and that helped a lot. I think that since the Jet kit was kind of modeled for Roy Haynes and then Haynes went to Ludwig, it kind of negated the strength of the Jet. But, man, I want a Jet kit very much (even if Roy Haynes didn't!)! I can't afford one even if I could find one...but I still want one!

The Ludwig Jazzette was the least expensive of all the three bop kits in question. That was a big strength of Ludwig's, I think. They did so much business, they could price themselves under their competitors and still produce high-quality products.

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