Type IVa or b. I've heard one Agop TW series 22" that I though nailed it, but I doubt you'll ever find another that does.

By the way I thought I'd mention this now that you've brought the subject up. Because I was discussing this very topic on Cymblholic several years ago, and some of the sage minds over there were arguing that it's not the cymbal that determines the sound...but it's all in the drummer's "touch". That genius idea was initially proposed by a character who went by the name "IV Mike". It was only shortly after this statement was made that others began piling in favor of that point of view. A battle royal then ensued. So according that line of arguement if you buy any cymbal; oh let's say just a Ludwig standard, or perhaps even a Krut, then with nothing more than the "right touch", you could miraculously make it sound just like Tony's 22"K.

Anybody here agree with that?

My question is this: What part of "idiophone" is it that these "idiots" just don't seem to understand?

lol...........

Here's the cymbal I spoke of:

[ame]https://youtu.be/_oWS8pQucZ0[/ame]

This cymbal in the same weight range as Tony's.

And If you care to keep listening to it, this cymbal is featured on a few of his other demo videos.

Tony's 22" was a bit on the meatier side like the one above is. So if your looking for something like this try to get that weight range. Type IV's run hot and cold and the not so good ones predominate. But if you find one of those good ones then its got that sound sublime. (Maxwell has one)

It's the very escence of what I call the Cymbalholic QUEST. And that road has be been traveled by many a drummer trying to find their "holy grail".

Many travel there, but not many make it to the end. But what you find along the way makes it worthwhile.

But I can recommend something like this to you and anyone else, as a reasonable facsimile thereof:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfz82rZwLZk"]Paiste Masters Dark Crash Ride 20'' - The Drum Shop North Shore - YouTube[/ame]

what is that ride?!!!!! :).

Oh, that was the Istanbul Agop 22" Special Edition TW Ride.

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