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Are these Rogers real? Last viewed: 1 day ago

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Hi there!

Long time lurker, new member.

I'm a musician/producer/engineer from The Netherlands.

I got my first Rogers set (XP-8) a few years ago and like it a lot!

It has a 22" kick and recently I've been looking to add more sounds to my studio. A few months ago I bought a Catalina Club Jazz kit which I really like as well.

After recording a kid with a 24" Rogers kick I decided I want one of those too.

My current kicks have no holes in the heads and I'd like to keep it that way.

However, the kid did have a hole in it and I still liked the way it sounded acoustically.

I'll set up the 24" as a "standard rock kick" with a small hole for a mic.

I found this set online for around €295.

They look pink on the picture but I reckon they're white, considering the wall behind them looks pink too.

Obvious pointers are:

Bassdrum spurs don't seem original.

Tom holder not original?

Anyone who can spot whether this stuff is real?

I'd say that if they are real they are 5ply around '70-75

Am I nuts?

I'll add a picture of my current XP-8 setup so you see they'll blend right in.

Posted on 12 years ago
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They look like script badge drums retrofitted with a Memri-lok tom mount and other spurs.It looks like the swivo mount holes are still on the bass drum.Fairly common occurrance in the 70's when the Rogers mounting collets broke.

Posted on 12 years ago
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They are Rogers. If the serial numbers on the Big R badges are D series, low 4 digit numbers, its possible all that stuff is original, including the script logo. What is most likely is a mixed set of 9/72 Rogers Swivomatic and 75-79 Big R five ply drums.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 12 years ago
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Thanks a lot for the replies everyone!

They guy does state they are Keller shells.

And that the toms have a slightly different colour than the kick and floor.

That hints that your mixed set hunch is sound Ploughman.

Here's a close of the floor. Is that an original leg mount?

He's asking about $400 USD for it so it's not very cheap.

However, if these are a good range of drums and they sound significantly different from my XP-8 I would be willing to take the plunge. I'll see if I can get him to give me SNs.

Cheers all!

Posted on 12 years ago
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The floor tom mounts are original to Fullerton era drums, including five ply Big R period through 1976 and into 1977.

For the price, I think you could get an un********* set in better shape.

Rogers Drums Big R era 1975-1984 Dating Guide.
http://www.vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=24048
Posted on 12 years ago
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From The Ploughman

For the price, I think you could get an un********* set in better shape.

Well they don't really seem all that beat up to me.

The tom holder is a bit shoddy but I won't be using it anyway.

Plus I have a memriloc one that's in better shape if need be.

I'll try to get him down to €200 which is about 270USD.

Not too shabby for a good 24" kick, a 14, 15 and 16 I'd say.

My XP8 are 22, 12, 13, 16 so they'd be a nice set to expand on the range of sounds.

Y'all still think it's a bad idea? I don't really care about having matched sets etc. I want a wide variety of good drum sounds to record.

Posted on 12 years ago
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Those pictures can be confusing.

In one photo it shows script badges facing front on the toms, in another photo I see big R badges on the toms. Those drums never came with both types of badges. The script badges are not in the correct location, they must have been added to the toms. The toms were originally Big R Memriloc toms.

The bass drum was originally a Swivomatic hardware script badge drum converted to Big R Memriloc hardware. In your last picture I can see non-Rogers spurs on the bass.

The floor tom looks like an original Swivomatic drum with a script badge and tone control, it probably came with the bass drum.

Posted on 12 years ago
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From DanC

Those pictures can be confusing.In one photo it shows script badges facing front on the toms, in another photo I see big R badges on the toms. The script badges are not in the correct location, they must have been added to the toms. The toms were originally Big R Memriloc toms.

Just to be clear:

The third picture of my original post (the one with the kit, cymbals, dude in my studio) is my XP-8 kit. So those big R logos are normal.

I don't see big R logos anywhere on the pinkish white fotos, the drums I'm interested in.

Are you sure the script badges are on the wrong location?

I've seen other Rogers drums with the script logos of both toms facing front when they are mounted on the tom holder.

I added a picture to show this.

That the bassdrum has been tampered with is obvious, certainly the spurs.

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Posted on 12 years ago
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Those 2 toms were originally Memriloc toms: there are no apparent holes from the old mounts like you see on the bass drum. The Big R stickers must have been peeled off those 2 drums.

The Big R drums also did not come with tone controls.

The script badges are supposed to be a little lower on the shell, not up so high between the lugs.

As long as they are all speckled grey inside, the drums have the same shells.

Hope this helps....

Posted on 12 years ago
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Ah right... I get what you mean now. Didn't notice that, good catch!

On the floor toms those script logos are usually positioned higher just like on those toms in my pictures. Maybe that's because these toms are deeper sizes than normal? If that's a 24" kick they look quite huge anyway.

He says the toms are 14" and 15"... Weird!

I don't know... you don't see a lot of these big rogers toms.

But it seems to me that the script logo is most often positioned only in relation to the two top lugs. In normal 8" deep toms this looks like it's centred on the vertical axis.

But on floor toms you see they have exactly the same position in relation to the top lugs. I mean, I'm just speculating here led by the pictures I'm seeing on the web. You could very well be spot on with your analysis, while I'm just reaching.

I asked the guy for SNs. If he can't give them I'll ask for shots of the insides anyway.

Thanks a lot for all your help. You must be sick and tired of these n00b threads :)

Rest assured. If I end up buying them I'll spend a good time tuning them up and they'll make it on plenty a recording!

Cheers and good night!

Posted on 12 years ago
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