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My son Dan (MileStones) just saw this ad on eBay. Its a Billy Gladstone 7x14 snare. According to the seller its a rare gold plated prototype. and he includes a lot of background history. He is asking $49,000.

I'm not an expert on pricing, but the drum is very far from mint condition and while it may be gold, in the images it look more like brass to me. Its rarity may add a lot of extra value, but to my eyes it doesn't look good in its current condition.

The seller states, "After years of use there is significant wear and cosmetic damage to the gold plating, and some minor dents, as shown in the detailed photos. The heads, snares, and top rim have been replaced"

The price in this condition seems very excessive to us. What do you guys think?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-Original-Billy-Gladstone-Gold-Plated-Vintage-Snare-Drum-7-x14-3-way-tuning/233629209222?hash=item366562d286:g:IrYAAOSwW21e877L

Mark
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Posted on 3 years ago
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+$150 shipping. For that price, shipping should be included. For that price, the seller should hand-deliver.

Al

9x Slingerland New Rock 50N 12-13-16-22 with 170 (Super S-O-M) holder
• 1979 Oak
• 1978 Blakrome + 6.5x14 TDR SD
• 1977 Black Diamond Pearl + 5x14 SD (gold badge, Rapid strainer)
• 1976 Black Cordova
• 1975 Silver Sparkle + 5x14 SD (Rapid strainer)
• 1974 Chrome + 5x14 COB TDR and 6.5x14 COW Zoomatic SDs
• 1973 Purple Sparkle
• 1973 Phantom (clear)
• 1971 Walnut (gold badges) + 5x14 TDR SD
1x Rogers Powertone Londoner V 12-13-16-22
• 1972 Butcher Block + 1979 big R Dynasonic SD
Posted on 3 years ago
#2
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Here is a pic for future reference...

Cheers

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1976 Ludwig Mach 4 Thermogloss 26-18-14-14sn
1978 Ludwig Stainless 22-22-18-16-14-13-12 c/w 6-8-10-12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-24 concert toms
1975 Sonor Phonic Centennials Metallic Pewter 22-16-13-12-14sn (D506)
1971 Ludwig Classic Bowling Ball OBP 22-16-14-13
1960's Stewart Peacock Pearl 20-16-12-14sn
1980`s Ludwig Coliseum Piano Black 8x14 snare
1973 Rogers Superten 5x14 & 6.5x14 COS snares
1970`s John Grey Capri Aquamarine Sparkle 5x14 snare
1941 Ludwig & Ludwig Super 8x14 snare
Posted on 3 years ago
#3
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I suppose there are at least two objective questions:

1. Will it be worth considerably more in 10 years, i.e., it is an investment.

2. Will the buyer get $49k worth of satisfaction owning it?

Personally, I don't see it as likely to meet either object.

Then again, I've bought a lot of things over the years that others didn't think were as valuable as I did. I know this because they did not bid as much as much as I did.

Posted on 3 years ago
#4
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April 2nd 1969 scarfed pink champagne holly wood and 65/66 downbeat snare, and , supra same year very minty kit old pies
66/67 downbeat with canister
Super 400 small round knob
1967 super classic obp





once the brass ceases to glitter, and the drum looses its luster, and the stage remains dark, all you have left is the timbre of family.
Posted on 3 years ago
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It has a historical value because it was a prototype and supposedly one of only two metal shells produced, Having a replaced top hoop should be considered to some degree.

Something is confusing about the history of the ownership of the drum. The owner states that Gladstone made the drum for Morris Goldenberg, but according to the narrative, it seems Goldenberg never took possession, as Billy apparently kept it until his death. Where does this information come from? It may be that as a prototype, Billy may have felt it wasn't up to his high standards to let this drum into the marketplace.

Then, in 1961 (October) when Billy died, Mr Hyning bought it (1962) from a midtown Manhattan music store. So was it sold as a consignment on behalf of Billy's widow? We may never know.

1974-75 Rogers Starlighter IV New England White 13/16/22 (w/Dyna)
1964-67 Rogers Blue Glass Glitter 12/14/16/20
early Oaklawn Camco Blue Moire 12/14/20
1926 Super Ludwig 5x14
1960-ish Ludwig COB 5x14 Super Sensitive
1960-ish Ludwig COB 6.5x14 Super Sensitive
1970 Ludwig COB Cut-Badge 5x14 Supra Phonic

Looking for a Camco Aristocrat SD in Blue Moire!!
Posted on 3 years ago
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Cool drum. Look at it as art. There are a lot of paintings I can't afford to own, too. This is a one of a kind in a world of millions of drums that are all the same. As a drum to play, it's not worth that price and there's likely to never be enough gigs to use it on to pay it off if you see it that way. But, if you are wealthy and a fan of drums, and want to set it on a pedestal in your den to stare at everyday... then here ya go! There are a lot of wealthy people who would do it IF they had a chance. But these drums are all accounted for in the world of collecting and opportunities to even look at one hardly ever come up.

"God is dead." -Nietzsche

"Nietzsche is dead." -God
Posted on 3 years ago
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Too much? Find another one then.....(I owned a BG set and snare drum 35 years ago.)

Chet Falzerano would be the guy to ask/consult about this drum. Chet's the expert imo.

The price seems in line with other BG drums.

Posted on 3 years ago
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It has a historical value because it was a prototype and supposedly one of only two metal shells produced, Having a replaced top hoop should be considered to some degree. Something is confusing about the history of the ownership of the drum. The owner states that Gladstone made the drum for Morris Goldenberg, but according to the narrative, it seems Goldenberg never took possession, as Billy apparently kept it until his death. Where does this information come from? It may be that as a prototype, Billy may have felt it wasn't up to his high standards to let this drum into the marketplace.Then, in 1961 (October) when Billy died, Mr Hyning bought it (1962) from a midtown Manhattan music store. So was it sold as a consignment on behalf of Billy's widow? We may never know.

The ebay ad states:

"This drum is believed to be a prototype for the drum Billy made for renowned percussionist and longtime Julliard professor Morris Goldenberg"

Meaning it was the prototype that Billy made before making the one for Morris Goldberg.

Posted on 3 years ago
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From thin shell

The ebay ad states:"This drum is believed to be a prototype for the drum Billy made for renowned percussionist and longtime Julliard professor Morris Goldenberg" Meaning it was the prototype that Billy made before making the one for Morris Goldberg.

I see. So now my question is did Gladstone do this for every client or was Goldberg the first client which required him to build a prototype? And did he ever make another metal shell drum? Here is a picture of Goldenberg with a Gladstone drum, but I'm not sure it is his. It is of some note that the stand for the drum looks to be the same as the Ted Reed photo on his Syncopation book and on the BG book by Chet Falzerano.

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1974-75 Rogers Starlighter IV New England White 13/16/22 (w/Dyna)
1964-67 Rogers Blue Glass Glitter 12/14/16/20
early Oaklawn Camco Blue Moire 12/14/20
1926 Super Ludwig 5x14
1960-ish Ludwig COB 5x14 Super Sensitive
1960-ish Ludwig COB 6.5x14 Super Sensitive
1970 Ludwig COB Cut-Badge 5x14 Supra Phonic

Looking for a Camco Aristocrat SD in Blue Moire!!
Posted on 3 years ago
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