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And A New Drummer Takes His Throne....

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To Jaye , Michael and Jim:Bowing Thank you, again, for your support, you guys are the type of people make this place so great.

I come from a background of Politics. I grew up with a mom who was at the heart of very sensitive International Foreign policy, and was involved in negotiating peace during the 80s Middle East Agreements, that since have been trashed by a "government" that sees no value in past progress, but instead wishes to make a mark on history that may become indelible. As a student of Constitutionalism, I am quite certain of one thing. I do not agree with everyones "opinions", however under the law of the land, and in keeping with the letter and intentional spirit of the First Amendment, I would gladly defend to the death anyones' right to present it. However, as the other gentlemen, who are very gracious and rather scholarly, have stated, this is a place of rules and decorum. Your "opinion" is, under the rules of this forum, not welcome.

As for Family Values, you are the one who brought them to the table on this discussion. And I ascribe to a very healthy balance of Family Values, and Hard Work and Earning something, as well as Ethics are some of the absolute top-list values I teach my son. So yes, Family Values are very much a part of this thread. This is not about Censorship, it is about RULES, and you clicked the "I Agree" button when you joined this forum. I suggest you go back and read those rules now.

I too have searched your past postings, and it seems you believe this is a place to do nothing more than shop for a set of drums that are very difficult to find. As such, I encourage you to continue your search, peacefully, and I wish you luck. As I am a respectful and honorable member of this forum, I will keep my opinion to myself.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From plexi69

"God's word",,, Dude are you for real??? First family values now the moral majority? No wonder your so vocal for censorship, the three seem to go hand in hand don't they. I think you miss the point.If the Founding Fathers were so intent on ruling by religous fanaticism, then they would not have included any seperation of Church and State clauses would they?

The following is not an insult. I am a teacher and it is merely a bit of guidance.

First, you are in serious need of an education on the United States of America. It is not the country you have envisioned in your head. It is in fact a very different place. Please, take the time to read and understand what this country is about. It would make an impact on you. Here are a few quotes that might help you on your way.

Number One:

The three branches of the U.S. Government: Judicial, Legislative, Executive

At the Constitutional Convention of 1787, James Madison proposed the plan to divide the central government into three branches. He discovered this model of government from the Perfect Governor, as he read Isaiah 33:22;

“For the LORD is our judge,

the LORD is our lawgiver,

the LORD is our king;

He will save us.”

Number Two:

George Washington:

“ It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible.”

“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.” [speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs May 12, 1779]

"To the distinguished character of patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian" [May 2, 1778, at Valley Forge]

Number Three:

Thomas Paine:

“ It has been the error of the schools to teach astronomy, and all the other sciences, and subjects of natural philosophy, as accomplishments only; whereas they should be taught theologically, or with reference to the Being who is the author of them: for all the principles of science are of divine origin. Man cannot make, or invent, or contrive principles: he can only discover them; and he ought to look through the discovery to the Author.”

“ The evil that has resulted from the error of the schools, in teaching natural philosophy as an accomplishment only, has been that of generating in the pupils a species of atheism. Instead of looking through the works of creation to the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge they acquire to create doubts of his existence. They labour with studied ingenuity to ascribe every thing they behold to innate properties of matter, and jump over all the rest by saying, that matter is eternal.” “The Existence of God--1810”

Number Four:

James Madison:

“ We’ve staked our future on our ability to follow the Ten Commandments with all of our heart.”

“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We’ve staked the future of all our political institutions upon our capacity…to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.” [1778 to the General Assembly of the State of Virginia]

Number Five:

Thomas Jefferson:

“ The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.” “Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital)

Number Six:

Patrick Henry:

“This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.”

—The Last Will and Testament of Patrick Henry

“It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.”[SIZE=2] [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses][/SIZE]

Number Seven:

John Quincy Adams:

“Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?" “Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"?

--1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at Newburyport, Massachusetts.

“The Law given from Sinai [The Ten Commandments] was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code.”

John Quincy Adams. Letters to his son. p. 61

Number Eight:

Samuel Adams:

“ He who made all men hath made the truths necessary to human happiness obvious to all… Our forefathers opened the Bible to all.” [ "American Independence," August 1, 1776. Speech delivered at the State House in Philadelphia]

Number Nine:

John Adams:

“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”

“[July 4th] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”

–John Adams in a letter written to Abigail on the day the Declaration was approved by Congress

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798

"I have examined all religions, as well as my narrow sphere, my straightened means, and my busy life, would allow; and the result is that the Bible is the best Book in the world. It contains more philosophy than all the libraries I have seen." December 25, 1813 letter to Thomas Jefferson

John Adams and John Hancock:

"We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus!" [April 18, 1775]

Number Ten:

The First Charter of Virginia (granted by King James I, on April 10, 1606)

"We, greatly commending, and graciously accepting of, their Desires for the Furtherance of so noble a Work, which may, by the Providence of Almighty God, hereafter tend to the Glory of his Divine Majesty, in propagating of Christian Religion to such People, as yet live in Darkness and miserable Ignorance of the true Knowledge and Worship of God…

Lastly and chiefly the way to prosper and achieve good success is to make yourselves all of one mind for the good of your country and your own, and to serve and fear God the Giver of all Goodness, for every plantation which our Heavenly Father hath not planted shall be rooted out."

Instructions for the Virginia Colony (1606)

The MayFlowerCompact (authored by William Bradford) 1620

“Having undertaken, for the glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith, and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one of another, covenant and combine our selves together…”

Finally, you need to understand the phrase "separation of church and state".

Though it was used throughout history, as far as the United States is concerned, it is credited to John Locke. He influenced Thomas Jefferson a great deal. The meaning and intent of this First Amendment is twisted and skewed by the uneducated. Madison wrote, "We are teaching the world the great truth that Govts. do better without Kings & Nobles than with them. The merit will be doubled by the other lesson that Religion flourishes in greater purity, without than with the aid of Govt."

The phrase itself comes from a letter penned by Thomas Jefferson at the beginning of the 1800's when a group of Baptists in Danbury, CT were afraid that the political majority would impose their religion upon them and in effect form a state religion. President Jefferson responded with the very famous quote, "I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."

Do yourself a favor and research what it is you are speaking out on. Have a firm foundation under you prior to voicing your opinion. Especially when that opinion walks upon the happiness of others. This country is great and is worth the effort it takes to learn about it.

Thanks.

Posted on 14 years ago
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From mcjnic

The following is not an insult. I am a teacher and it is merely a bit of guidance...

Good job buddy!

fishwaltz
Posted on 14 years ago
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From mcjnic

The following is not an insult. I am a teacher and it is merely a bit of guidance.Do yourself a favor and research what it is you are speaking out on. Have a firm foundation under you prior to voicing your opinion. Especially when that opinion walks upon the happiness of others. This country is great and is worth the effort it takes to learn about it.Thanks.

Heare, Heare! Again, You rise above,Burger Kin and it is duly noted. I am honored with this lesson, although I knew most of them, and one day I will share it in it's entirety with my son. As for plexi, I fear he is an ultra-lib, as I saw a post earlier in which, around the beginning of Sept he was wishing all a "Happy Holiday", and he is probably calling the ACLU because we stepped on his freedom, in some twisted way. Please don't take this the wrong way, as I am fairly moderate. But going off as he did over something as simple as this indicates, in my mind, he is frustrated over something I must have touched upon.

I am unsure what happens when one puts another on their "Ignore" list. On some sites, it shuts them out of the discussion, and dis-allows them from further interacting with that person altogether. Maybe I should ask Dave about this. I am really disturbed by his actions, and I hope he gets it that we are not here to be his whipping boys. Sadly, I fear he has learned nothing, and will only become more anti-social.

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
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http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
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