grantro: Ok, tomorrow I go to the Post Office with the cymbal ... or are you pullin' my leg?:)
Nope, not pulling your leg...They have the scale there to weigh packages for shipping...If you talk nice to them, I'm sure they wouldn't mind weighing the cymbal for you...
Cheers
Jim: I am on the road until Friday with no stand to set this cymbal on ... never travel without sticks though ... it's a heavy mutha ... clangy as a crash and a very clear high pitched ride with a very strong wash with lots of sustain ... all sitting on my finger in a hotel room ... so take that with a grain of salt! The bell is strong but not as much as some ... and still retains the flavor of the cymbal as a whole, not a totally different tone.I can't wait to get home, and set up with my small kit ... I was really looking for a 20 but this one just found me.btw: I've used the duct tape fix on my 80's 22 ping with great success!Cool Dude
well, when I find something and don't have a stand to test it, I use one stick as the stand, and the other as, well, a stick, and play it. I think it may be a ride based on your description. (If it was smaller I might suggest a high hat cymbal) My big old 22 ride is a lot like that- very heavy and the bell is clear and similar to the general tone of the cymbal when played as a ride.
If it does not gel with your overall sound, I'm sure you can get your money back on it.
Ok ... per the scale at the local Post Office (you should have seen the look on the guy at the counter's face) ... 4lbs, 6oz ... apparantly they don't do grams ... not sure what the margin for error is (half an ounce plus or minus?) ... converts to around 1985 grams ... and it's an 18" cymbal ... is that heavy/light/average?
Heavy
if it were a 20", that would be a Thin+
Thanks for the input guys.The stamp is almost exactly 1.25" tall.Anybody have a link to a site that does a good job explaining the different stamps/eras? The one I found just had about 5 photos and very little explaination ... they looked way too similar to me.grantro: Ok, tomorrow I go to the Post Office with the cymbal ... or are you pullin' my leg?:)
Here You Go,Good Info For You.......http://home.mnet-online.de/cymbalism/cymbalism/cymbals/index.html
There was a similar stamp in the seventies, but when I looked at the whole cymbal, the lathing and hammering looked '50s to me. Why do you think '70s.
I was going to say 70s as well since it looks like several of my 70s but I was wrong on one like this before based on Drumaholics response so I'd be interested in getting his expert opinion.
Also the more I compare the lathing I am thinking it does look different.
Scott
Thanks for all the response ... and Vinny, thanks for the informative link.
Well ... it sounds pretty good to me ... it's not the cymbal I've been looking for ... higher pitched than I want for a main ride ... but may just end up on the left side of my jazz kit. It's ridable with a very strong long wash and once in context of the set the bell really cuts and the crash blends better than I expected. Pretty happy overall ... this is definitly a cymbal I will use.
And I'm still curious as to the 50's vs 70's stamp. I have several hollow logo Zildijians and this one's lathing is more pronounced and not as regular ... but the basic shape of the cymbal is very similar to my 22 hollow logo Ping Ride ... not sure that helps. Let me know if you need different or clearer pics and I'll see what I can do. The original posted pics were from my phone and I am home now and have a camera that might do better (although not always).
On second look the stamp looks a bit more like a '70s thin stamp, but to my eyes the lathing still looks more'50s. So, I'll have to withhold judgement.
My vote is for it being a 70's cymbal. That said, there are some great sounding cymbals from that era. Either way for the price paid you did well.
Not an expert,but I would think that 1995 gr would be real heavy for a 50's era,maybe a Symphonic /Orchestral model?
That being said,I have not seen near as many 50's cymbals as 60's and esp 70's Zils,but it looks like 70's to me.
