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A Rare vintage Paiste

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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Kind of. Bought this on eFlay for $90 shipped. It's an old Stambul 65.

Stambuls were Paiste top-line cymbals up until around '67. Before '65 they ~ like all other Paistes until then (Ludwig Standards, and Stanoples)~ were NS 12 alloy...nickelbronze sometimes called nickelsilver.

Not the best of alloys, but apparently readily available as blanks.... and Paiste built their company on that alloy.

'65 was the first introduction of a new alloy to their fabrication process.

They changed their Stambuls from NS12 to B8.

I believe this is a very early example of a high-end B8...sort of the predecessor to the 2002 line.

They only made these for 3 years, if memory serves. '65-'67. After that, Stambuls were no more, as they changed the names of their lines and began expanding them.

It's a very nice cymbal...imagine 602 hammering on a B8 alloy, and you have got a good idea. It may not have been a big seller, but (from a cymbal-ic evolutionary standpoint Coffee Break2) it was an important sort of "prototype" line to what they would do later with B8 alloy.

It's medium-thin, with a shallower bell than the NS12 Stambuls which preceded it. Quite nice.[/COLOR]

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Yes, hammering and lathing does look very F602ish. You are right that you don't see these around much. I would love to hear one. What size is it? Can you take a picture of the stamp?

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[COLOR="DarkRed"]It's a 20". Here's the stamp (embossed).[/COLOR]

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Cool! Thanks!

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cool find! can you post a sound file by any chance?

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Posted on 15 years ago
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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Ack...no, sorry. Not anytime soon...am not set up for that....:([/COLOR]

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thanks anyways. let me know if you are willing to sell sometime... i would be interested in it. thanks!

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Stambul 65's were the predecessors to the Giant Beats which was the predecessor to the 2002s. Later Ludwig Standards were actually Stambul 65's made out of the B8 alloy, those from about 1966 onwards anyway. Prior to that they were made of the NS12 alloy. The Stambuls didn't actually go away until the early 80's. They were renamed the 505 series around the time of the 2002 introduction and got 2002 style lathing techniques too. An OK sounding cymbal by my ears, but to each is own.......

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[COLOR="DarkRed"]Interesting...I have never heard of nor seen a B8 Standard.

I would say that these Stambuls, the B8 ones...bears no resemblence to a 505 really in any way. But I have never seen a Stambul younger than a '65-66, either. I have seen a few of these..and they were similar. Medium thin puppy, good amount of wobble going on; fair amount of wash, It is not a narrow-sounding cymbal at all, not does it project as much as a 2002 or 505. It definitely does fit in the evolutionary chain of Giant Beat, though.

BTW...I have always liked 505's. They garner either love or hate from most folks..but I have found them to be good, solid cymbals as long as you stay away from the heavier ones....[/COLOR]

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Well....I've been a Zildjian fan for years, but the reissue GB's are starting to get my attention. Never was a fan of the 505s or standards

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