Yeah, not a fan of Neil Peart. Never was. I always thought he was highly over-rated. Anyone can make a drumset revolve around them while they wave the sticks up and down to hit as many things as possible over and over again if they have enough money to buy all of the gear. Not impressed then, still not impressed now.

I don't know dude. He is heads and shoulders above about all of the guys who played and still play. Seeing as how Buddie Rich is usually the closer on this site for arguements, I saw a video of him playing Buddie Rich stuff with a "big band" on you tube and he killed it. No stick waving, no revolving drums, just him and the drumheads he punished.

I really don't know what era to assign to Rush as they have been SOOOO successful they transcend simple moments in time such as decades BUT he was and still is not a stereotypical boom boom bla bla drummer, as you put it earlier.

This boogie's a mess. You can't convert a non-believer. Some get it, some won't. Amazing how this thread has become undone. Is there a vintage music forum, somewhere? This, being a drum forum, maybe we should be arguing over the drummers of these various genres and eras. Were there any notable drummers playing glam-rock or the pop-garbage in the 80's? Without research (none needed): No. Elvin Jones didn't get Ginger Baker, either - he said so. As a drummer, I just can't wrap my head a round another drummer's notion that Jazz is boring. Listen to some Wes Montgomery, Coltrane, Blakey. Then, try to emulate. Hell, listen to any myriad Buddy Rich albums. I have a fork in me.

It's a case of unwarranted ego run amok.... some folks just refuse to believe that the light at the end of the tunnel is a train until it hits them. Even then, that guy will still say it was a gorilla with a flashlight. Pointless to even try any more... can I borrow your fork, please?

:p All in good fun. I love the gorilla reference. Can I use it? My fork, is your fork.

This is how these threads end up. In my opinion, jazz is a bunch of different styles. I have played a lot of it and considered that my preference for playing. BUT, there is just some I do not like to listen to.

I can't handle screeeeeeeching sax solos!!! It kills me... I have to turn it off or go on to something else. It might be great jazz and I can understand the dynamic of the musicians but I just can't listen.

To an untrained ear and non musician, that is how they usually describe jazz as "boring" or it does not "make sense". Musical appreciation is something that grows over time.

Nothing in my opinion makes one style better then the other, they were all part of someone's generation that they grew up on and for most it is what they can fall back on in life to bring back memories.

There are those that will never change or want to go on to something else, but that is the choice they have.

David

And we have to end it with this

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Any time, my friend.........

Uuuuuuhh, isn't Phil a "lefty". That was too funny.

I agree that all music isn't for everyone and I don't think any harm resulted from this thread. Good-hearted agreeing to disagree; it's American. Interesting to learn whom likes what, amongst drummer-folk.

Music, it soothes the savage beast, no matter what the form.

Odd....no one mentioned Stub Toe Jenkins or Molasses Sal in this thread. Didn't see that one coming.

Now, here was two of the greats. There just wasn't a better beater than Stub Toe this side of the pond (or any other for that matter). When he decided to part company with The Mudbone Snuff Boys of Beat and hook up with Molasses Sal...well, I don't have to tell you where THAT went. Unreal. That was the most magical union of talent in that century or any other. What Stub could do with a hickory stick and a velum spack was nothing short of a miracle. I've seen many drummers attempt his licks, only to end up discouraged and sore. Buddy Rich used to say, "If Stub didn't play it, it just wasn't worth spit." Today's young turks could learn a thing or two by just trying to decipher what Stub Toe is doing in the 15th and 17th phrase of "Slap dat Momma Yo". I've listened to it for most of my life and still can't work it out. Unbelievable stuff.

Spin the black circle gents and gentettes. There's a music lesson to be had.