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20's Ludwig 4 X 14 throw

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Hi all,

I own a 1920's nickel over brass ten lug 4 X 14 Ludwig snare. It's in good working condition and sounds amazing, but the throw-off slips when playing. I'd love to replace it but don't know the name of the throw-off model that was used on these drums. Anyone know the name of the throw-offs used on 20's Ludwig 4 X 14 snare drums? And while I'm at it, does anyone have a lead on one of these?

Thanks so much!

Posted on 2 years ago
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I think it's a P-84.

Yes, they tend to slip when playing. I have a drum with one of them and have the same problem.

Here is one for sale on Ebay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/115479480923?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=115479480923&targetid=1263094005346&device=c&mktype=&googleloc=9033326&poi=&campaignid=14859008593&mkgroupid=130497710760&rlsatarget=pla-1263094005346&abcId=9300678&merchantid=424797533&gclid=CjwKCAjw6fyXBhBgEiwAhhiZsr9mXswzNyXTxvb_cql_NAeZKAeX5-CHqI_zGutQJ9xdPHy43M3noBoCxaUQAvD_BwE

I believe there is a way to tweak the mechanism to make it less likely to slip, but there's no guarantee that any one you might find won't have the same problem. It's a design flaw, apparently. I use a rubber band to hold mine in place since I never use the drum with the snares "off" (disengaged).

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Posted on 2 years ago
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The 1927 Ludwig catalog has it called the "Professional" Model #338.

It fit the 4", 5", and 6.5" metal shell drums.

Edit: O-Lugs is probably right, too. My guess is that the Model 338 later became known as the P-84.

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early Oaklawn Camco Blue Moire 12/14/20
1926 Super Ludwig 5x14
1960-ish Ludwig COB 5x14 Super Sensitive
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1970 Ludwig COB Cut-Badge 5x14 Supra Phonic

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Posted on 2 years ago
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