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20"x11 1/2" kick drum. Premier?

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Hello everyone. I just acquired an interesting little drum. I have been combing the internet for pictures and information, but nothing seems to match. My best guess is Premier because of the "gull wing" looking lugs. It is vintage for sure, judging by the natural discolouration of the wrap, perhaps late 60's-70's. It has a Rogers cymbal mount that is not original, as you can see there was a piece of wood added to the interior to accommodate new mounting holes. It has disappearing spurs, which have disappeared. The shell is 20x11 1/2". I want to put this little guy back together and back in use. Any advise is greatly appreciated.

I also have included pics of the snare and tom that came with the kick. First thought is Japanese (pearl stencil?) snare, but the lugs are slightly different from a 60's Stewart snare that I have. It seems almost everybody used lugs similar in shape. Snare is 14x5 1/2.

The tom has been cut in half, possibly the leg mounts were moved up the shell. Shell is painted black, the interior looks like it has a natural lacquer finish underneath the paint. Very unusual looking "heavy" lugs and leg mounts. 16x10" Has anyone seen one like this?

Posted on 5 years ago
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Pictures help.

Posted on 5 years ago
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The kick looks like it could be a John Grey drum. The snare is definitely MIJ. The other tom, no idea....looks British/European, wish I could help more.

1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
Odds & Sods

Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
Item may be subject to change!
Posted on 5 years ago
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From funkypoodle

The kick looks like it could be a John Grey drum. The snare is definitely MIJ. The other tom, no idea....looks British/European, wish I could help more.

This makes sense. I had a JG kit (Broadway), and the BD was very shallow. That snare is MIJ. No clue on the tom.

Posted on 5 years ago
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Thanks Funkypoodle, you nailed it. I have found plenty of info since. John Grey/Rose-Morris kick. Late 60's I guess. The 16" floor tom which has been cut down is late 60"s Sonor, and the snare is Slingerland.

Posted on 5 years ago
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From clank

Thanks Funkypoodle, you nailed it. I have found plenty of info since. John Grey/Rose-Morris kick. Late 60's I guess. The 16" floor tom which has been cut down is late 60"s Sonor, and the snare is Slingerland.

Glad to help out! I'm pretty sure though that the snare is a Slingerland copy made in Japan, probably Pearl or Star (pre-Tama). I can see the wood grain (lauan or philippines mahogany) running vertically under the wrap, whereas with a Slingerland drum the wood grain would be running vertically. Most of these MIJ snares have faux-Slingerland lugs).

1964 Ludwig Champagne Super Classic
1970 Ludwig Blue Oyster Super Classic
1977 Rogers Big R Londoner 5 ebony
1972/1978 Rogers Powertone/Big R mix ebony
60's Ludwig Supersensitive
Pearl B4514 COB snare ( the SC snare)
Pearl Firecracker
PJL WMP maple snare
Odds & Sods

Sabians, Paistes, Zildjians, Zyns, UFIPs, MIJs etc
Item may be subject to change!
Posted on 5 years ago
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From funkypoodle

Glad to help out! I'm pretty sure though that the snare is a Slingerland copy made in Japan, probably Pearl or Star (pre-Tama). I can see the wood grain (lauan or philippines mahogany) running vertically under the wrap, whereas with a Slingerland drum the wood grain would be running vertically. Most of these MIJ snares have faux-Slingerland lugs).

funkypoodle has a keen eye. The snare is NOT Slingerland for the reasons he mentioned and more.

Posted on 5 years ago
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