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1967 W & A snare

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How much for this Walberg & Auge snare: 5 x 14, 8 Gretsch lugs, signed and dated 3/67;GREAT sound, original black?.. blue?...silver? diamond wrap has a little yellowing, small amounts of pitting but not serious and some chrome plating missing on rims, some rash on one hoop (?- I'm still learning all the names of the parts), the Gretsch tensioning rod heads (again is that the right name?) are not the original six-sided Gretsch ones, something added or replaced on outside of shell (see pics), and wrap not totally meeting at the seam but well secured to shell.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Posted on 14 years ago
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That is a nice drum. Now, the interior seems to show that this drum has spent a significant portion of it's life in a high humid place, a damp basement, near the coast...you get the point. The stains inside and the amount and type of pitting on the chrome bears it out as well.

First, if it is in the 200-300 range, I would think it is good deal, seeing as how you have a few hours of tear down, Kleening cleaning and refitting to do. I could be wrong, as I am not that familiar with W/A gear, but it seems that is a reasonable range to me. The plate with the hole, that would seem to be a holder for the drum key, no? Afterall, it appears most of the parts are Gretsch. Diecast hoopps and all. Then again, I could be off by a few hundred bucks...and that would be par for me.

On closer inspection, there appears to be something amiss with the bottom hoop...is it warped, or is it just not evenly tensioned? That would be an area of concern right from the get go...take it off and lay it on a table to see if it is flat.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Thanks jonnistix, you make some good points. I will check the bottom hoop but not sure why you think something is amiss. I don't see it but I am a beginner in the drum world.

Posted on 14 years ago
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From drummergrl

Thanks jonnistix, you make some good points. I will check the bottom hoop but not sure why you think something is amiss. I don't see it but I am a beginner in the drum world.

If you look at the top picture, showing the snare side of the drum, you will see the uneveness of the hoop in relation to the head. The gaps around the edges are visually uneven. It is very pronounced. That is what I see. It could be uneven tention, which again ids not really good for a drum, especially if it has been stored that way over a long period of time. The parts of the shell and hoop have what is described as "memory", just like we do. Our muscles are trained over time to reproduce certain movements without avtive thought, like when playng, a flam is automatic, after you train the muscles to repond to that command.

So too the parts will "train" themselves over time, and it could cause the shell and hoop to warp. Not saying it has, only that there is a possibilty. Then again, it could be distortion of the picture, as it seems to have a "fisheye" effect goiong on. I always look for this sort of thing, it keeps my brain active. Having been a saleman and restoration geek for years, I look for detials, and miss many more, as some of the other members point out regularly, but it is all about learning what we are doing.

I hope this turns out good for you!

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Posted on 14 years ago
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Jonnistix, thank you so much!

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That is a very nice drum.I'd say the top was overtensioned to the point it bent the rim.Much more common on 6-luggers.I owned a Gretsch 6-lugger and the same thing happened.That may be a Rogers-built shell with Gretsch and W/A hardware.That hoop has had it.FYI-I'm playing a Camco Tuxedo lug drum now,and the hoops were bent and pitted.I bought some heavy duty 2.5 mm hoops from Drummaker,and could not be happier!Good cross between cast and triple flange hoops.And you can"crank em'up!"

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The original muffler is missing but I've found a 60's vintage W & A muffler for $35. I could continue to spend more on this drum too. One of you said replace the hoops, I might replace the tension rods if I could find 6 Gretsch hex-head ones - which I think it must have originally had- it could have its rims replaced since there's some rubbing off of the chrome plating, the throwoff doesn't stay in place well (the seller told me all W&A snares do that-true?). Or I could let it be the fine drum it is, as is and enjoy the great sound it has. I tend to get obsessive about things-any of you identify?-LOL!

I really love the sound of this drum with the rest of my awesome '66 black oyster pearl W&A's. And they all look pretty together. I haven't cleaned this snare at all yet- there might be a little luster to get out of that wrap still.

Can anyone explain why it is so rare to find a W&A snare in black oyster pearl if it was such a popular wrap in the mid 60's?

The seller and I have agreed on $140 for this snare. GOOD???

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From drummergrl

Or I could let it be the fine drum it is, as is and enjoy the great sound it has. I tend to get obsessive about things-any of you identify?-LOL! [COLOR=red]....err...no..I mean...yes...no...ahhhh![/COLOR] I really love the sound of this drum with the rest of my awesome '66 black oyster pearl W&A's. And they all look pretty together. I haven't cleaned this snare at all yet- there might be a little luster to get out of that wrap still. [COLOR=red]TRy this: Take some 409 and a soft bristle, I mean soft bristled brush and gently scrub, spray on the brush, and dry immediately, then rinse off with a damp cloth a couple of times....should bring out some shine.[/COLOR] Can anyone explain why it is so rare to find a W&A snare in black oyster pearl if it was such a popular wrap in the mid 60's? The seller and I have agreed on $140 for this snare. GOOD???[COLOR=seagreen] ...uhh...hell yeah![/COLOR]

Looking good!

"Ignorance may be overcome through education. Stupidity, however, is a lifelong endeavor." So, educate me, I don't likes bein' ignant...
"I enjoy restoring 60s Japanese "stencil" drums...I can actually afford them..."I rescue the worst of the old valueless drums for disadvantaged Children and gladly accept donations of parts, pieces and orphans, No cockroaches, please...
http://www.youtube.com/user/karstenboy
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Coffee...16613138379603
Posted on 14 years ago
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From drummergrl

The original muffler is missing but I've found a 60's vintage W & A muffler for $35. I could continue to spend more on this drum too. One of you said replace the hoops, I might replace the tension rods if I could find 6 Gretsch hex-head ones - which I think it must have originally had- it could have its rims replaced since there's some rubbing off of the chrome plating, the throwoff doesn't stay in place well (the seller told me all W&A snares do that-true?). Or I could let it be the fine drum it is, as is and enjoy the great sound it has. I tend to get obsessive about things-any of you identify?-LOL! I really love the sound of this drum with the rest of my awesome '66 black oyster pearl W&A's. And they all look pretty together. I haven't cleaned this snare at all yet- there might be a little luster to get out of that wrap still. Can anyone explain why it is so rare to find a W&A snare in black oyster pearl if it was such a popular wrap in the mid 60's?The seller and I have agreed on $140 for this snare. GOOD???

Hey Drummergrl,So you paid 140.00 for the snare.I would say you paid to much Laughing HLaughing H---That was a great and one hell of a price.The W&A snare's are so hard to fine in any Finish...you are lucky to fine that one. One's i have seen sell anywere from 300.00 to 700.00 in any finish..You did very good the Drum God's must have been looking over you...Mikey

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