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1964 Ludwig BOP update....

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A month or so ago, I posted that I found a BOP Jazz Festival on Craigslist for $60 (well, he actual was selling the Jazz Fest, vintage Ludwig practice pad, old drum case and Lido floor tom all for $60!). I just finished cleaning it up and it is beautiful. Absolutely gorgeous. The serial number dates it mid to late 1964. The rims are COB. What do all you think it is worth now? I am NOT going to sell it. It's a keeper, but I am very curious to see what the consensus is on the value.

Some day's your lucky! I felt I won the lottery with this one!

Enjoy!

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Posted on 3 years ago
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Wow...some people have all the luck! I need to start hanging out with you to find these bargains!!

Your Jazz Festival really cleaned up great! I also agree with your date of 1964. As to value, it's worth what someone is willing to pay. However, I always maintain that condition goes a long way as to what you can expect to receive. With that in mind, I would easily value your drum at $1000+. I could be off on this and I hope others here will offer up their opinions as well.

Congrats on a rare find!

-Mark

Posted on 3 years ago
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I have no idea what it is worth, but what a great find!

Posted on 3 years ago
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Incredible find at an incredible price. Nice work cleaning it up.

The prices for oyster black pearl Ludwig drums from that era are all over the place. As someone said above, condition is a big factor.

Obviously, there is a single person who impacted the value of that color on that drum in particular. Someone would be willing to pay a lot of money to be able to add that to a close cousin of any of the configurations Ringo Starr used in that era. Being a drum from 1964, increases the interest. The same drum from 1958 or 1967 does not have quite the same impact.

That drum is essentially what he would have used, it's from the era in which he would have used it, and though the depth is probably not identical to the one he used extensively (his may be a one-off at 5-1/2" depth), it is nevertheless highly sought after.

If you want a very considered idea of its value, you might want to attempt to contact this guy.

https://www.ringosbeatlekits.com/

My guess is that the right person might be willing to pay you thousands for that drum. The $1000 suggested above is a threshold price at which to start. None of us would let it go for less.

On the other hand, younger drummers who did not experience the Beatles in their lifetime are far less likely to be interested in Ringo's drums and those of us that did live it are already fading quickly from the scene. Even though the Beatles and Ringo were a huge cultural phenomenon of mid-twentieth century music, their impact on the value of these drums will fade.

Therefore, if you want to see the peak price for the drum, I suggest you cash in fairly soon.

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Posted on 3 years ago
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Thanks everyone. I have no desire to sell the snare. I am extremely well versed on Ringo's drums as I have been a Beatles "nut" since childhood (I'm 57). Yes, Ringo had a 5 1/2 " Jazz Fest in BOP and his is 1 of 5 known to exist. The drum is probably a 9 out of 10 condition wise. As long as the wrap and drum itself are in excellent shape correct hardware can be swapped with mint quality parts. I'm guessing, from what I see Don Bennett asking for his 1966 BOP JF, that mine may fetch upwards of $7K. Just curious to see what anyone on the forum thinks. Again, I have NO desire to sell it. I've always dreamt of owning one, but never would spend that kind of money. It will stay with my other drums I have (Black Oyster set and MINT 1965 Ludwig Champagne sparkle set). A friend of mine sold Ringo's Ed Sullivan bass drum head with "The Beatles" that he owned for a long time for just over $1 million dollars.....THAT'S MILLION!

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Posted on 3 years ago
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It's not a Ringo Spec Jazz Festival with the 5 1/2" depth, strainer, badge, baseball bat muffler each adjacent panel, and the old style narrow beds or from '63. So it isn't even in the same ball park as those which are very rare to have all those specs and be BOP.

Regular BOP Jazz Festivals do bring much more than an non BOP version. They have been in the $2500 range at one point but at the moment, I don't really know. It is probably lower due to the pandemic.

It is still a very nice and collectable drum and will only continue to increase in value.

And, at $60, you did ok...

Posted on 3 years ago
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I paid $2k for mine. After 20 years of hunting for one of those $60 ones I finally gave in. I bought mine from someone who had three of them. His feeling was that they were worth between $2000 and $4000 and I managed to talk him out of this one at the low end of the scale.

Generally I'd say that's about a $3000 drum. But then I'm sort of a nut. The market might be down a bit due to Ludwig finally doing a decent repro in their Jazz festival re-issue (I bought one of those too).

$60!!! man oh man.

Posted on 3 years ago
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Rather than incur the wrath of Ludnuts, I'll just laugh quietly to myself.

No matter how far you push the envelope, it is still stationery.
Posted on 3 years ago
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From leedybdp

Rather than incur the wrath of Ludnuts, I'l just laugh quietly to myself.

Oh, I'll admit it's definitely crazy. But the heart wants what it wants and after 20 years it was worth spending the money to stick a fork in that quest and call it done. YOLO as the kids say.

I'm a bottom feeder and a cheapskate so, believe me, I explored every other option during my ongoing quest with nothing coming from it that was quite satisfactory. I was prowling for that $60 example but never found it. I did get my two "Ringo" sets relatively cheaply so there's that.

Posted on 3 years ago
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From K.O.

Oh, I'll admit it's definitely crazy. But the heart wants what it wants and after 20 years it was worth spending the money to stick a fork in that quest and call it done. YOLO as the kids say.I'm a bottom feeder and a cheapskate so, believe me, I explored every other option during my ongoing quest with nothing coming from it that was quite satisfactory. I was prowling for that $60 example but never found it. I did get my two "Ringo" sets relatively cheaply so there's that.

Hi K.O.! I know exactly what you mean in regards to price! While nowhere near spending that amount on a Jazz Festival, I recently purchased a very nice Slingerland Rapid strainer for my 1965 Deluxe Student snare drum in Sparkling Gold Pearl. That drum had a second-generation strainer, which was not correct for the drum. I needed a 4th generation, which is the style most of us are familiar with on the 60's drums. The seller was asking $20 more than what these normally sell for, but I needed it and it was in great condition. For myself, that extra $20 was a big deal, but I'm glad I caved and bought it! LoLoLoLo

-Mark

Posted on 3 years ago
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