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14" Pre-Serial Paiste Formula 602

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This past fall I was fortunate enough to purchase a 1967 Blue Oyster Pearl Super Classic kit from its original owner. The kit included the original cymbals it came with when ordered from the factory --

20" Pre-Serial Formula 602;

16" Pre-Serial Formula 602; and

14" Pre-Serial Formula 602

The prior owner wasn't sure whether the 14" cymbal was actually used as a hi-hat cymbal or as a "stand-alone" cymbal.

I decided to keep the 20" and 16" cymbals and sell the 14". While I had it listed for sale with some detailed pics a gentleman who collects vintage Paiste cymbals asked me to check if there was a slight "fracture" under the letters "MULA" in the word FORMULA on the stamp of the cymbal. This request surprised me because I hadn't noticed any such fracture. He mentioned that some of his cymbals do have such fractures and thought that he noticed the same in one of my pics. I took a second (much closer) look with my one good eye and, sure enough, there actually was a small fracture in that area. I immediately pulled my listing and have kept the cymbal ever since.

I'm now considering selling it but am wondering whether this fracture might spread any worse than it currently is. Has anyone experienced anything like this with their Paiste cymbals? It still sounds great but I don't know how concerned I should be over this condition.

As usual, I'm open to any and all input. Hopefully the pics I posted will adequately show the affected area. In some pics, however, you probably won't even notice it. Am I making too much out of this?

Thanks in advance for your time and your help!

Posted on 14 years ago
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Oldschool. not quite sure what your saying is it in the logo stamp? or the first pic were there is a line acrss the entire cymbal ?

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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Second picture, under "ULA" of the stamp.

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Posted on 14 years ago
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From vintagemore2000

Oldschool. not quite sure what your saying is it in the logo stamp? or the first pic were there is a line acrss the entire cymbal ?

As RogerSling stated (thank you!), it's in the 2nd pic under the letters "ULA" of the stamp.

That line in the 1st pic is simply some sort of reflection of something.

Sorry about the confusion.

Posted on 14 years ago
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It was late when I saw this last night, of course it's from when the logo was stamped into the cymbal, I've seen it on a few paistes 602's, is your cymbal a thin or a medium thin?

the Reason I ask It was the light weight ones that I had seen it done to.the machine Paiste used had a foot operated control some overzealous employee getting carried away with the press that stamps the logo into the cymbal.

Your drummers not much good is he!? What you need is someone that's as good as me. ! John Henry Bonham !!
Posted on 14 years ago
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From OldSchool

The prior owner wasn't sure whether the 14" cymbal was actually used as a hi-hat cymbal or as a "stand-alone" cymbal.

I don't believe that the pre-serial 602 line made back then had a 14" crash. I know the re-issues are only 16" and 18" crashes, 14" Hi-hats and 20" rides. I don't think a lot of manufacturers jumped on the 14" crash bandwagon until the mid to late 60's.

Its better to have people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and prove them wrong, unless you doubt yourself then speak away....
Posted on 14 years ago
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From vintagemore2000

It was late when I saw this last night, of course it's from when the logo was stamped into the cymbal, I've seen it on a few paistes 602's, is your cymbal a thin or a medium thin? the Reason I ask It was the light weight ones that I had seen it done to.the machine Paiste used had a foot operated control some overzealous employee getting carried away with the press that stamps the logo into the cymbal.

The cymbal weighs a little over 2 pounds.

Posted on 14 years ago
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If your weight is accurate that is, say 910 grams which sits comfortably in the hat weights for pre serial 602s. However, there is no hat wear I can see in the photos which suggests that it wasn't being used as a hat.

From backbeatkeeper

I don't believe that the pre-serial 602 line made back then had a 14" crash. I know the re-issues are only 16" and 18" crashes, 14" Hi-hats and 20" rides. I don't think a lot of manufacturers jumped on the 14" crash bandwagon until the mid to late 60's.

The 1967 Ludwig catalog includes 602s and there are 14" cymbals available as

Thin

Medium

Heavy

Thin Crash

Medium Ride

Marching

Concert Hi-Hat

And the price in 1967? $31.50

So this could easily be a single cymbal other than a hi-hat. However, at that weight it probably isn't a Thin or a Thin Crash. I've got a couple of records of those at 680 or so grams. Maybe it is a Medium. Without the original red ink stamp giving the designation I can't really say. My records on weights aren't that extensive. At that weight it certainly would make a nice Hi-Hat top or bottom depending on the weight range you like.

Posted on 14 years ago
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Anyone willing to throw out a guess as to what a cymbal like this one with the aforementioned fracture might sell for in today's market? Anyone here have an interest perhaps?

Posted on 14 years ago
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Yeah, I might be interested, depending on price. Would you PM me with an asking price? thanks. I've always thought those Paiste stamps were kinda deep, & agressive--the font is a bold one. Now I've got to go check all my pre-serial 602's to see if there're any cracks. Wish me luck....marko

Posted on 14 years ago
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