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Old 07-10-2020, 03:27 PM
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Default Cymbal I picked up with a 1967 OBP kit

I picked up a January 1967 Ludwig Oyster Black Pearl kit 2 weeks ago. It came with a December 1966 Supra; a 22" Zildjian A with rivets and a serious keyhole I plan to use a Grombal with. It also has an 18" Mica Sonic Cymbal with rivets and a pair of 15" Hi-hat cymbals that has beautiful lathing and hammering. The hi-hats are ink stamped Medium on the bottom and there is a very faint ink stamp (pictured) on each hat that I can't make out. Can anyone help to identify them?

The Mica Sonic is the last one pictured. And, what is story with Mica Sonic cymbals? I have heard there were Mica Sonic drums back in the 60's, which I assume were MIJ drums.

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Old 07-10-2020, 04:50 PM
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Default Re: Cymbal I picked up with a 1967 OBP kit

Mica Sonic is Italian. I have attached photos of a pair of hats with better preserved markings. It is possible that in some years Mica Sonic manufacture shifted from UFIP to some other company in some other country. It is also possible that the details of the ink shifted over the years of production by UFIP. See what you make of these markings. You hats might well be earlier then these. Often Italian cymbals have no die stamped trademark and just have ink...which then gets lost over the decades.









The overhammering visible on the 3rd image looks like my older (1950s/early 60s) UFIPs with the over hammering.



If the 18" is 1950s that would also fit with the 22" A Zildjian which is a mid 50s block stamp (aka Large Stamp 1).

http://black.net.nz/avedis/avedis-gallery.html#large



Does the 18" actually say Mica Sonic on it? I'd be very keen to see any ink or other markings if they are there. One of the things to check with the 18" is the exact diameter of the mounting hole and the exact diameter. If it is unaltered 1950s Italian then the mounting hole should be a bit smaller than the modern standard of 1/2". It might be close to 7/16" but is just as likely to be some metric equivalent. If the hole has been enlarged post factory so it fits on modern stands you might see the telltale signs of that. Of course the same goes for the A Zildjian 22" which may show signs of an enlarged mounting hole. See:

http://black.net.nz/avedis/holes.html

The diameter of the cymbal is most likely to be the metric equivalent of 18" at 45 cm so slightly undersized 18". Of course that doesn't prove Italian origin since several cymbal manufacturing regions (China, Europe, Turkey in particular) are known to produce undersized cymbals.
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Old 07-10-2020, 05:14 PM
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Default Re: Cymbal I picked up with a 1967 OBP kit

Zenstat that you so much for posting!

The Mica Sonic has a star and 3 lines and says made in Germany. 7/16 Key hole. It looks slightly out of round, but I suspect that was from the stand. The rivet holes are several inches from the edge. It looks like someone may have done the rivets holes themselves as there is a circular line connecting each hole. It looks like it does not have as much bronze as the Zildjian Ride for example.

The Zildjian Ride has a 7/16 hole also, except for the keyhole part which is probably 1/2" or so.

The ink stamps on the top of the 15" hi-hats look to have the letting running around the inside of the perimeter, not readable left to right like the picture you posted with Made In Italy. The hammering appears to be by hand to my eye becasue they are not all uniform the way a machine would make them. They are relatively light compared to other hi-hats I have. My 16" Zildjians hats I got new in 1979 are much heavier.
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Old 07-10-2020, 05:16 PM
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The 22" Zildjian stamp is 1.75" tall. The CO. is fairly light compared ot the rest of the impression. Zildjian is hollow like it is in the picture you posted.

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