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Old 03-19-2011, 03:31 PM
thesoundoffreedom thesoundoffreedom is offline
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Cool A rant, from a purist's integrity on selling drums

I currently found a joker on Ebay selling a 1971 silver sparkle 22, 12, 13, 16 LUDWIG Classic kit. He is selling each tom separately, and even worse he has stripped each tom of all their hardware except for the badge and is selling their respective lugs, mounts, rims, etc. on separate listings. I recently put out an ad in my community and found the man I sold a 1978 LUDWIG kit to, because I had kept the original floor tom and gave him a 1969 tom without knowing it at the time. I made the trade with him and took back the 69' which ironically enough was in considerably worse shape. Point is.......I am a purist and felt that the kit should stay together. This guy on Ebay infuriates me. He can't be a collector or respect vintage drums, or at the very least even be a drummer. I hope to never see this total lack of respect for vintage drums on this forum.......
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Old 03-19-2011, 03:52 PM
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Default Re: A rant, from a purist's integrity on selling drums

So, buy all the pieces and reassemble the kit. That way, all will be right with the world.

I'm obviously being silly here. The point I'm making is that you will run into all kinds. This has been going on for years and it used to bug me. Now, I just ignore it ... until I happen to be looking for a very specific part to complete a kit. Then, it doesn't seem quite as disastrous as it first appeared.

I'm not in the same room as you on this, but I'm definitely in the same yard. We are somewhat like-minded.
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Old 03-19-2011, 04:16 PM
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Default Re: A rant, from a purist's integrity on selling drums

Everyone has their own line in the sand on this one.......
Then, for me, a big wave comes along and I can't find my line anymore.
Time to draw a new one, probably in a slightly different place than the last one.

Here's a link to a thread I started a couple of years ago....
Jaye had some interesting things to say.....
Link...........
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Old 03-19-2011, 04:25 PM
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I only ever parted out drums for sale on ebay once...and it was very recent. They were all re-wrap orphans with extra holes from the 80's. I tried selling them as a set....no luck. I tried selling the drums off for what I had into them individually....no luck......I finally resorted to what some on this forum may consider "drum canibalism or butchery"......I parted them out just to make my money back on them. I looked at it this way....the shells needed LOTS of work, they weren't a matched set originally anyway, and they had lots of useable parts for others. So, yes, guilty as charged, but then again, they really aren't considered vintage......yet.

Normally I am with the group against doing such a thing, but I guess it would be acceptable in some cases.

If it helps, I just restored and reassembled two other orphans that needed less work to match the bass drum that I kept from the original set of orphans that I parted out.
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Old 03-19-2011, 04:52 PM
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The answer is a simple one...... money.

Unless you have something very collectible, you can almost always get more money out of it by parting it.

Example....

I buy 6 lugs snares all day long. I love them. Pioneers, Deluxe Students, whatever.

I pay between $90 and $150 for them in great condition. However, many of them have the muffler missing.

Current average going eBay price for a vintage Slingerland muffler....... almost $30. One third to one fourth the price of the drum. Ludwig mufflers are almost as bad.

Start adding tension rods at a buck a piece. Lugs, hoops, etc. In the end, you could toss the shell in the trash and get more money selling the parts than selling the entire drum assembled and in one piece.

It's all about worshiping the golden calf on this rock. And, it always will be.

Point being.... it's easy to see WHY people do this.
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Old 03-19-2011, 07:20 PM
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Excellent, honest responses.....I may have come off a little over the top. There are circumstances where we may face selling certain drums, for different reasons and that's okay. We have all done that on some level or another. It's one thing breaking up a true matching set.....but to completely dismantle a mint condition matching kit from 1971, stripped down to only it's shell/wrap/badge and have it's pieces parceled off, is somewhat of a shame. I think we could all agree on that.
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Old 03-19-2011, 07:24 PM
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I only ever parted out drums for sale on ebay once...and it was very recent. They were all re-wrap orphans with extra holes from the 80's. I tried selling them as a set....no luck. I tried selling the drums off for what I had into them individually....no luck......I finally resorted to what some on this forum may consider "drum canibalism or butchery"......I parted them out just to make my money back on them. I looked at it this way....the shells needed LOTS of work, they weren't a matched set originally anyway, and they had lots of useable parts for others. So, yes, guilty as charged, but then again, they really aren't considered vintage......yet.

Normally I am with the group against doing such a thing, but I guess it would be acceptable in some cases.

If it helps, I just restored and reassembled two other orphans that needed less work to match the bass drum that I kept from the original set of orphans that I parted out.
This is totally acceptable, because in essence your respecting the drums and this art form......
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Old 03-19-2011, 07:42 PM
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I guess working with orphans gives you good karma and offsets parting out kits sometimes.
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Old 03-19-2011, 08:50 PM
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I currently found a joker on Ebay selling a 1971 silver sparkle 22, 12, 13, 16 LUDWIG Classic kit. He is selling each tom separately, and even worse he has stripped each tom of all their hardware except for the badge and is selling their respective lugs, mounts, rims, etc. on separate listings. I recently put out an ad in my community and found the man I sold a 1978 LUDWIG kit to, because I had kept the original floor tom and gave him a 1969 tom without knowing it at the time. I made the trade with him and took back the 69' which ironically enough was in considerably worse shape. Point is.......I am a purist and felt that the kit should stay together. This guy on Ebay infuriates me. He can't be a collector or respect vintage drums, or at the very least even be a drummer. I hope to never see this total lack of respect for vintage drums on this forum.......
Then continue keeping your eyes shut.
At least every week someone will ask to buy a single drum from a set around here.
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Old 03-20-2011, 01:37 AM
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I currently found a joker on Ebay selling a 1971 silver sparkle 22, 12, 13, 16 LUDWIG Classic kit. He is selling each tom separately, and even worse he has stripped each tom of all their hardware except for the badge and is selling their respective lugs, mounts, rims, etc. on separate listings. I recently put out an ad in my community and found the man I sold a 1978 LUDWIG kit to, because I had kept the original floor tom and gave him a 1969 tom without knowing it at the time. I made the trade with him and took back the 69' which ironically enough was in considerably worse shape. Point is.......I am a purist and felt that the kit should stay together. This guy on Ebay infuriates me. He can't be a collector or respect vintage drums, or at the very least even be a drummer. I hope to never see this total lack of respect for vintage drums on this forum.......
This very thing get's a fire going under my butt and make's me P.O..On ebay a few seller's do this to vintage drum's from the 60's on back,take a set sell the drum shell's and list the part's..I would say any real vintage collecter who get's a set together think's it should say together and not sell the shell's and part's off on ebay..I have been selling vintage drums for 30+year's i have never nor will i never do this to a vintage set..I do get alot of Orphan drum's in if thet are missing part's i add them,them i sell the drum off..The only time i would re-move part's from a shell is if the shell is to far gone to re-store....Mikey
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