Seller claims it's a "blue sparkle vintage pre serial number Ludwig snare".
Sorry don't have pic of the badge yet.

No expert, but it has differences for sure from my 1965 Pioneer..Markings are different and mine has a baseball bat damper..And my throw off has different markings and is a different style..May mean nothing..Maybe it is a later version than mine

Thanks, just found out it doesn't have a badge. Geez, who removes those?

Oh well, can't be worth much more than $100 now right?

Definitely is a Pioneer... circa late 1968 to early 70's. Too bad about the missing badge. Pioneers usually sound great.

EDIT: See subsequent posts below....This drum may be a JazzFest if it is determined to have 8 lugs as opposed to the 6-lug Pioneer model.

The badges are not hard to find..No it will not be original to the Snare..But it would make no difference to me if I replaced it..If it is on Ebay or something..It will sell for quite a bit more than 100.00 I bet..

The inside view photo, showing the tension lug nuts, seems to indicate a Jazzfest (8 lugs) versus a Pioneer (6 lugs). But as O-Lugs pointed out, it appears to be late '68 to early 70s vintage.

Regards, mb

Marty I think you're right on second inspection. If it's 8 lugs then it's a JazzFest.

Thanks all for the great advice.

Sure looks like a Jazz Festival to me!!

-Mark

Also if it's preserial numbered it's not suppose to have the first gen p 85.