I got these with a set of Ludwigs I just bought and did some research on their value. I was surprised they fetched so much so I listed them on eBay here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/334485950549

I thought these were entry-level cymbals but I guess the price of anything vintage has skyrocketed.

Can't say as I've ever played or listened to any of these cymbals. How do they sound?

Yes, they are "entry-level" cymbals, but all the reviews and YouTube videos I just watched are very positive! The Black-Label models, like yours, seem to be pretty good! You've already got a bid at $200. Honestly, even at $300, they will be a very good buy for someone!

Here's a good link about the 404... https://www.cymbal.wiki/wiki/Paiste_404

edit: your cymbals may be "brown label". Hard to tell from the pictures. However, the above website mention that the "heavy" hi hats appeared in the "brown label" line.

-Mark

Great site, thanks. They are black labels without serial numbers so they are Swiss made as stamped.

Hey O-Lugs: I haven't played them but plan to soon.

Originally Posted by cnw20

Great site, thanks. They are black labels without serial numbers so they are Swiss made as stamped.

Hey O-Lugs: I haven't played them but plan to soon.

Thanks for confirming that they are Black Label!

-Mark

I had a set of hats and a 20” ride at two different points. They sounded surprisingly good, I remember. Nothing I would take on a gig, but definitely better than any modern B8 offerings from the big companies.

what happened there..you had an auction going and then plug pulled.. : )

Sold them locally for $160.

I have a 404 brown label 20" ride - weighs around the 2100g mark and is actually a very good cymbal - nice light ride, great crash and good spread- I also own 2002 and Giant Beat 20" cymbals and the 404 can stand its ground to any of those. I would buy another if I could find one.