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Old 06-25-2011, 02:23 AM
Josh Josh is offline
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Default show us ya bottom Ludwig Supra Hoop

Hi all, I have a mid 60's alloy supra and an early 60's COB supra. I have had them both for ages and have just noticed they have different bottom hoops. The bottom hoop from the alloy drum is nice and flat, simple slot for the snare wires to go through. The slots on the earlier COB bottom hoop are raised, different design. see attached pics.
Is this normal? If not which is the correct hoop? They are both the same weight as far as I can tell and have identical collars for the tensions rods.

Damn I just notices the bottom hoop on my mis 60's Acrolite has different slots too!! they are more squared compared to the rounded slots of the mid 60's supra, help!!
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Old 06-25-2011, 06:10 AM
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Default Re: show us ya bottom Ludwig Supra Hoop

Just the way the machine stamped them out. In the earlier, days the stamping machine added the bulge so it could accommodate both standard and parallel strainers...? Would make more sense to manufacture something as simply as possible, from a production point of view, but a flat hoop sits flat, so that is why they went to a flat base later on. As for the shape of the snare guide, machines wear out and you replace them.

This is all B/S and conjecture, but it makes more sense than "The drum Gods said it must be...".
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:29 AM
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Default Re: show us ya bottom Ludwig Supra Hoop

Both hoops are correct for their respective years. Ludwig first manufactured only the hoop with the drop gate to accommodate all their different strainer designs, ie: P-83, Supersensitive and the Classic strainer. Both the SS and Classic strainers required more gate opening for the way they lowered the snare wires. If memory serves, the "drop gate" hoop was used on the legendary Jazz Festival up to around 1964.
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Old 06-25-2011, 01:59 PM
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Default Re: show us ya bottom Ludwig Supra Hoop

I've not checked a '58-'59 Super classic and '65 Supura bottom hoop. Is there any difference? Later, I'll check them.

'59 Transitional Super Classic NOB "drop gate"
'65 Supra / COB "drop gate"
'67 Super Sensitive / COS 1.6mm "round"
'68 Acrolite / COS 1.6mm "round"
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