Old 09-19-2021, 01:22 PM
#1
Klinger Klinger is offline
Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 64
Default Mystery Cymbal Brand - maybe


7" cymbal that was mounted on a 22x10" Leedy bass drum.

Or nothing?

Old 12-03-2022, 11:15 AM
#2
Klinger Klinger is offline
Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 64
Default Re: Mystery Cymbal Brand - maybe ?
I was hoping that in a year, someone might have a guess for what the signature might be on this cymbal or if there's any possible ID at all? It came with a Leedy 22 x 10 bass drum that I picked up at an auction. https://vintagedrumforum.com/showthread.php?t=67228

I'm trying to date these two and I haven't opened up the drum yet to look.

Cymbal holder says Patent 1924784 Ludwig. Designed to clamp on the hoop.

Old 12-03-2022, 07:39 PM
#3
jmcohen jmcohen is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Hayden, Idaho
Posts: 500
Default Re: Mystery Cymbal Brand - maybe
No engraving/stamping on the top side?
Old 12-04-2022, 09:25 AM
#4
Klinger Klinger is offline
Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 64
Default Re: Mystery Cymbal Brand - maybe
I should have thought of that to start with, good question. Not that I can see. It's pretty heavy and unlike other cheap cymbals I've seen over the years, looks like good quality materials. The cup is large for such a small cymbal. More turning on the outer edge than the center.



Link to large image: https://postimg.cc/HjvcKgh0



Right click and open in new tab for full size image, very large.

Last edited by Klinger; 12-04-2022 at 09:30 AM.
Old 12-06-2022, 06:55 PM
#5
jda jda is offline
Vintage Drum Guru
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Jeannette Pa.
Posts: 881
Default Re: Mystery Cymbal Brand - maybe
it's usually "an Italian" brand/make with a signature and without a visible metal stamp.
part of the ufip/Zanki/ etc combine
Looks like my Atlas (Ufip) 7" cup Chime material.
It's Italian I'd bet

Look Pages 19 and 20 here - the 81 Gretsch catalog- for the variety Of later Ufip examples
(Page 18 are Canadian K's)

http://www.drumarchive.com/Gretsch/Gretsch_81.pdf
__________________
.................................................. ......Joe

Last edited by jda; 12-06-2022 at 07:06 PM.
Old 12-09-2022, 06:35 PM
#6
Klinger Klinger is offline
Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 64
Default Re: Mystery Cymbal Brand - maybe
Thanks for the advice and looking Id say it's pretty much the size and shape of the smallest of the IFIP 4776 Clang, the bell is like that. Plus looking at their site, they seem to hammer out the cymbal and do more turning on the outside than the cup. That also matches.

I'll call that the answer unless some day I mysteriously find a better ID. I think what you wrote is correct.
Old 12-31-2022, 11:29 AM
#7
Tama CW Tama CW is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2021
Posts: 7
Default Re: Mystery Cymbal Brand - maybe
The sharply descending zig zags of that signature are very similar to what is seen on the XE Ajaha's and Ajaha's of the 40's to early 50's. Might even be a "Constantinople" as part of that writing. Probably an early XE Ajaha...which was Italian-made....which often tried to copy the look and signatures of the old K Cons and K Istanbuls.
Old 12-31-2022, 01:07 PM
#8
Klinger Klinger is offline
Contributing Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 64
Default Re: Mystery Cymbal Brand - maybe
Thank you for the adiditional.

And about that trap holder?

1933. L. B. GREENLEAF 1,924,784
MUSICAL TRAP HOLDER Filed Feb. 20, 1932 dam/awn Patented Aug. 29, 1933 UNITED STATES MUSICAL TRAP HOLDER Leland B. Greenleaf, Elkhart, Ind., assignor to C. G. Conn, Ltd., Elkhart, Ind., a corporation of Indiana Application February 20, 1932. Serial No. 594,369

Marked with Ludwig Patent 1924784

https://patentimages.storage.googlea.../US1924784.pdf

The clamp, reminds me very much of the Ludwig, that's a bell/block holder on my drums from the 60s.

Last edited by Klinger; 12-31-2022 at 01:10 PM.
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules

Collapse Forum Rules Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Search Options
Tag Search Advanced Search

Updated Threads

r
rillow64, 02-04-2023, 11:45 AM
r
rillow64, 02-04-2023, 11:44 AM
l
latzanimal, 02-03-2023, 03:24 AM