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Old 07-09-2022, 09:16 AM
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Default Ludwig Last WFL & First Trans Badge

Just curious, does anyone know the last date they used a WFL badge, and started with the Trans Badge?
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Old 07-09-2022, 09:44 AM
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Default Re: Ludwig Last WFL & First Trans Badge

Knowing Ludwig, there was probably no firm cutoff date. They probably used the WFL badges up at each assembly bench so each bench would have run out and switched over on different dates. They continued to use the WFL branded Speed King foot boards and snare stand baskets well into the 60s so they didn't want to spend, or have, the money to get those molds modified until years after the switch. Badges were more important from a branding standpoint, but they have shown a pattern of not wanting to waste anything.
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Old 07-09-2022, 11:47 AM
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Default Re: Ludwig Last WFL & First Trans Badge

In my limited collecting experience, 1958 seems to be the year we first see the "trans badge." But as Thin Shell pointed out, there was a transition period for all-things Ludwig, which I would also expect to see with all the drum manufacturers.

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Old 07-09-2022, 03:19 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig Last WFL & First Trans Badge

I just found a Nov. 36, 1957 Pioneer, and wondered how many more they could have made after it before going to the trans Badge.

It's missing a throw off, in case anyone has a P-83 laying around!
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1951-52 Slingerland Radio King Krupa Outfit 24,13,16 Champagne Sparkle
1960s/70s Polaris MIJ 20,12,16 Red Sparkle
2005 Gretsch Catalina Club WMP First Run
2008 Pearl Masters MCX 20,10,12,14f,16f & 14 Diamond Glitter
1999 Yamaha Stage Custom 22,10,12,14r,16f. Marina Green

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Old 07-09-2022, 03:59 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig Last WFL & First Trans Badge

November 36?
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Old 07-10-2022, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig Last WFL & First Trans Badge

26...my bad!
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1951-52 Slingerland Radio King Krupa Outfit 24,13,16 Champagne Sparkle
1960s/70s Polaris MIJ 20,12,16 Red Sparkle
2005 Gretsch Catalina Club WMP First Run
2008 Pearl Masters MCX 20,10,12,14f,16f & 14 Diamond Glitter
1999 Yamaha Stage Custom 22,10,12,14r,16f. Marina Green

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Old 07-10-2022, 08:56 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig Last WFL & First Trans Badge

I had a one-owner "Hollywood" kit, with toms date-stamped 11/25/58. All 5 drums (original Barrett Deems type snare was included, stamped 11/26/58) had 'Trans' badges.

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Old 07-11-2022, 11:39 AM
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Default Re: Ludwig Last WFL & First Trans Badge

Trans badges with date stamps run from Nov 58 to Nov 60. Anything outside of that range would be news.
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Old 07-11-2022, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig Last WFL & First Trans Badge

So, January 1958 they were still WFL?
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1951-52 Slingerland Radio King Krupa Outfit 24,13,16 Champagne Sparkle
1960s/70s Polaris MIJ 20,12,16 Red Sparkle
2005 Gretsch Catalina Club WMP First Run
2008 Pearl Masters MCX 20,10,12,14f,16f & 14 Diamond Glitter
1999 Yamaha Stage Custom 22,10,12,14r,16f. Marina Green

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Old 07-11-2022, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: Ludwig Last WFL & First Trans Badge

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So, January 1958 they were still WFL?
Jan 58 drums should have badges with WFL at the top and Ludwig across the bottom. B1 bought back the rights from CG Conn in 55.
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LW 59 SC blue, WMP
WFL Gold Sparkle SC, Compacto WMP
Gretsch 49/50 Broadkaster WMP
70's MIJ Del Ray, my first and fav ok I'm lying here
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